Former US vice president Joe Biden says white people 'can never fully understand' racism during visit to black church

[Emjay]

You don't have to wait, its already there.

No, it was not. Care to point it out for me?

 

[Unhappy438]

No, it was not. Care to point it out for me?

Former US vice president Joe Biden says white people 'can never fully understand' racism during visit to black church

An apt place to pop in Jussie Smollett 2.0? #neverunderstand

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[Gingerbeardman]

Statement "Racism is still a problem in America"

Normal reaction - I don't agree that it is or it may well be but I am personally not a racist.

Trump apologists - F*** you, I''m not racist, stop blaming white people for everything, and it was a hundred years ago and just to show you I'm going to vote for an even bigger d***head next election...

Such a "normal" reaction would have been forthcoming if you didn't use a politically loaded definition of racism.

And yes, bigger and bigger dicks are going to be elected until you who parrot woke talking points learn your lesson.

 

[grok]

How can any white person justify owning slaves without being a racist? Slavery is one of the effects of racism...

The bible says slaves are fine s'longs we treat them right..

We are even allowed, according to the word of god, to sell our wayward daughters into slavery if they don't confirm to our will.

So, you gotta take it up with the big man mkay?

 

[Emjay]

Former US vice president Joe Biden says white people 'can never fully understand' racism during visit to black church

An apt place to pop in Jussie Smollett 2.0? #neverunderstand

mybroadband.co.za

Just like I said. The question was avoided, and not answered.

The entire idea of lived experiences is a load of BS. He is applying lived experience to an entire race when we are all individuals. That concept is ironically racist.

 

[Cray]

The bible says slaves are fine s'longs we treat them right..

We are even allowed, according to the word of god, to sell our wayward daughters into slavery if they don't confirm to our will.

So, you gotta take it up with the big man mkay?

Do you have his number?

 

[Cray]

Such a "normal" reaction would have been forthcoming if you didn't use a politically loaded definition of racism.

So, what exactly is your non-politically loaded definition of racism?

 

[Gingerbeardman]

So, what exactly is your non-politically loaded definition of racism?

Someone who manifests racial bigotry against another ethnic group. It does not refer to institutional kack unless there are explicit laws to that effect, it does not refer to social inequalities, it does not refer to people who get annoyed with politicians who claim that people cannot understand racism because this "not understanding" is code for "you have to be re-educated".

 

[Unhappy438]

Just like I said. The question was avoided, and not answered.

The entire idea of lived experiences is a load of BS. He is applying lived experience to an entire race when we are all individuals. That concept is ironically racist.

I dont agree with cerebus at all on this one but im not sure what response you are looking for that might satisfy you. The question is built on a premise he doesnt agree with.

Anyway im not here to argue for him, i just thought you missed that response which is why i pointed it out.

 

[Cray]

Someone who manifests racial bigotry against another ethnic group. It does not refer to institutional kack unless there are explicit laws to that effect

So this isn't an example of institutional racism in your view....?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...act-same-crime-as-a-white-person-study-finds/

New Study Confirms Black Men Serve Longer Sentences Than White Men for the Same Crimes

 

[Gingerbeardman]

So this isn't an example of institutional racism in your view....?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...act-same-crime-as-a-white-person-study-finds/

Indeed not.

Did you know that the same pattern bears out between white people of differing intelligence? Smart people are much more likely to get more lenient sentences as compared to dumb people.

Did the research you're talking about attempt to control for this variable by accounting for the racial differences in median IQ or any other variables? Nope. It just took some stats and instantly assumed discrimination because the outcomes weren't identical a la the claim that women are being discriminated in the workplace because they don't have the exact same earning power as men while ignoring all the non-sexist reasons (maternity leave, occupational hazards etc.) that cause the discrepancy.

 

[Cray]

Indeed not.
Did you know that the same pattern bears out between white people of differing intelligence? Smart people are much more likely to get more lenient sentences as compared to dumb people.

Source for that?

 

[Gingerbeardman]

Source for that?

The Truth about IQ and Crime

Unfortunately for those who wish to deny IQ (sometimes known as ‘G’ for general intelligence) is real, the data and the science continue to…

medium.com

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.3402/vgi.v3i0.14834

My google fu is not good enough to find a paper that speaks specifically to that point, but intelligent people present much better inside the court room and get more pleasing reactions from the jury and so forth, probably because they have better answers for the stupid schite they did. It's really not a controversial claim.

 

[Temujin]

The Truth about IQ and Crime

Unfortunately for those who wish to deny IQ (sometimes known as ‘G’ for general intelligence) is real, the data and the science continue to…

medium.com

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.3402/vgi.v3i0.14834

My google fu is not good enough to find a paper that speaks specifically to that point, but intelligent people present much better inside the court room and get more pleasing reactions from the jury and so forth, probably because they have better answers for the stupid schite they did. It's really not a controversial claim.

No need for google fu, bottom of article links to https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289612000116?via=ihub
I see paper is written in 2011... had it been 2019, they would be homeless and jobless
And this one too linked from that https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S016028961730082X

Intelligence has been linked with success across a wide array of life domains. To date, however, relatively little research has examined whether intelligence may predict criminal success—that is, engaging in criminal behaviors, but escaping detection and arrest. The current study addresses this gap in the literature by examining the associations among verbal intelligence, criminal involvement, and criminal justice processing (i.e., arrest) using data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent to Adult Health (Add Health). Our findings reveal that verbal intelligence is associated with criminal justice processing, wherein individuals with higher verbal intelligence scores are more likely to avoid arrest for criminal behavior when compared with individuals with comparatively lower verbal intelligence scores. We discuss the implications of these findings for future research.

 

[Emjay]

So this isn't an example of institutional racism in your view....?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...act-same-crime-as-a-white-person-study-finds/

Can you post the content and a link to the study?

I cannot seem to access Washington Post from my work or home networks, or different browsers.

 

[Cray]

Can you post the content and a link to the study?

I cannot seem to access Washington Post from my work or home networks, or different browsers.

Sure... I find that opening them in a browser you don't use very often shows the content as they give you a few free articles per month, but anyway, see below..

Black men who commit the same crimes as white men receive federal prison sentences that are, on average, nearly 20 percent longer, according to a new report on sentencing disparities from the United States Sentencing Commission (USSC).

These disparities were observed “after controlling for a wide variety of sentencing factors,” including age, education, citizenship, weapon possession and prior criminal history.

The black/white sentencing disparities have been increasing in recent years, the report found, particularly following the Supreme Court's decision in United States v. Booker in 2005. Booker gave federal judges significantly more discretion on sentencing by making it easier to impose harsher or more lenient sentences than the USSC's sentencing guidelines called for.

Before that decision, federal judges were generally required to abide by those sentencing guidelines.

According to the Sentencing Commission's report, the black/white sentencing disparities are being driven in large part by “non-government sponsored departures and variances” — in plain English, sentencing choices made by judges at their own discretion.

Judges are less likely to voluntarily revise sentences downward for black offenders than for white ones, in other words. And even when judges do reduce black offenders' sentences, they do so by smaller amounts than for white offenders.

That finding suggests that giving judges more discretion in sentencing, as the Booker decision did in 2005, allows more racial bias to seep into the process. But Marc Mauer, executive director of the Sentencing Project, a group working to reduce bias in the criminal justice system, says there's more to it than that. He says that decisions by federal prosecutors — whether to seek a charge carrying a mandatory minimum sentence, for instance — are also driving the disparities.

“What we see is that the charging decisions of prosecutors are key,” he said via email. “Whether done consciously or not, prosecutors are more likely to charge African Americans with such charges than whites.”

A 2014 University of Michigan Law School study, for instance, found that all other factors being equal, black offenders were 75 percent more likely to face a charge carrying a mandatory minimum sentence than a white offender who committed the same crime.

“It's possible that if a prosecutor now recognizes that a judge is not constrained by the [pre-Booker] guidelines,” Mauer said, “he or she may charge a case as a mandatory sentence to ensure that a certain amount of prison time is imposed, with no possible override by the judge.”

The United States currently houses the world's largest prison population, with an incarceration rate of roughly 666 inmates per 100,000 people. Among whites, the rate is 450 inmates per 100,000 people. The incarceration rate for blacks is over five times higher, at 2,306 inmates per 100,000 people.

The USSC report indicates that sentencing decisions are a big driver of those numbers. And according to the University of Michigan study, at the federal level alone simply eliminating the sentencing disparity would reduce the number of black men in federal prisons by about 9 percent and save taxpayers at least $230 million a year.

https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/...h-publications/2017/20171114_Demographics.pdf