Free data for all South Africans in radical regulatory intervention

irBosOtter

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So what's going to happen to those on contracts...will we also receive a 30-50% discount on the data part of our monthly charge?

Contract data prices.... they only mention prepaid data... so they will probably lower prepaid data and up the price for contract data, someone will have to foot the bill for the free data that the leeches want.
 

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Finally the exorbitant profits they make comes to light.
Charge consumers what you want because they do not have a choice. Pure exploitation and it must be controlled.
And yes they can charge, but a fair amount, people are willing to pay.
They don't make exorbitant profits, it's a public company the financials are there for everyone to see.
 

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With all the burning down and stealing batteries from the network towers.
That costs need to come from somewhere to actually replace those damaged or stolen objects.

I am not with either of the two companies but I can also imagine they have a lot of expenses due to the same people that wants free data now?
 

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They don't make exorbitant profits, it's a public company the financials are there for everyone to see.
They do make fat profits, that is the thing. A public company? Might be, actually you are right but still they do get away with hiding the profits.
 

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Data is a utility - it must be priced as such.
 

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Data is a utility - it must be priced as such.
That's the thing. All our utilities are more expensive than it should be because of the general shîtholeness of SA.

If we have to replace batteries every week we can't have cheap data.
 

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We so use to being ripped off, by government + private sector, it's the norm of our existence ..... what I do not get is those, that just simply agree, with this shafting.

Yep , i dont get that mindset either. nor do i get the mindset of. "I pay xyz, and I have been paying xyz for years for abc., so why should the next generation get abc for less or some portion for free"

Or worse, people who actually defend these places and entities for charging what they do.
 

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Yep , i dont get that mindset either. nor do i get the mindset of. "I pay xyz, and I have been paying xyz for years for abc., so why should the next generation get abc for less or some portion for free"

Or worse, people who actually defend these places and entities for charging what they do.
could be that people do not want to be seen as poor ..or being on the side of the poor/marginalized- although being shafted, its ok.., least I can afford the shafting..
 

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Yep , i dont get that mindset either. nor do i get the mindset of. "I pay xyz, and I have been paying xyz for years for abc., so why should the next generation get abc for less or some portion for free"

Or worse, people who actually defend these places and entities for charging what they do.
Because in the end, there is always a cost involved. I am 100% sure people aren't against lower cost of data but that lower cost should not be at the expense of company incentives to provide an increasingly developing mobile network! This is the fear : free data and lower data revenue leading to decreased investment into network infrastructure leading to worse overall communication network.
 

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I've worked with and for cellular networks.
I can wholeheartedly and honestly tell you the following facts:

1. They are cartels
2. They view their business as a "license to print money"
3. They have bent 3GPP spec to make even more money. The "dropped calls" tactic is one of many
4. They charge for stuff that costs them nothing (SMS messages and USSD especially)

There is a cost involved, however it is always in third world countries that somehow the prices must be higher than they are in first world countries because somehow, even though the subscriber base is larger in the third world, it costs more apparently to deliver the same service (despite the fact that often the networks are using "hand-me-down" equipment from first world countries).

Its actually this- they presume that third world people are stupid and deserving of being charged more. This is an attitiude I've seen across all networks in SA, networks in neighbouring countries and basically throughout Africa and places like India.

South Africa's network operators are especially devious, the people who own/run them will sell their own mother, their wives, their children, for profit. They feel nothing for the client base and will actively seek out ways to rip them off, whether its dropped calls, disappearing data/airtime, or expiring data/airtime, there's many tricks in that arsenal. We're a world leader in screwing over cellular clients. The Americans have even learnt how, from us.

So assuming this does come to pass (it won't because they will tie up the regulator and SA govt in legal wranglings for years, or will simply bribe the ANC to make this go away), they will get what they deserve and I feel nothing for them, Vodacom and EMPTY-N especially, they can go cry a river or burn in hell, whichever suits.

But like I said, it ain't gonna happen. Not in my lifetime, it goes against what their friends are doing in other poor countries.
 

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If the guvamunt could get it's finger out of it's dirty arse and open up the spectrum without requiring billions in bribes, then the prices will automatically come down.

No lets rather get the private companies to give their profits away for free.
 

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I've worked with and for cellular networks.
I can wholeheartedly and honestly tell you the following facts:

1. They are cartels
2. They view their business as a "license to print money"
3. They have bent 3GPP spec to make even more money. The "dropped calls" tactic is one of many
4. They charge for stuff that costs them nothing (SMS messages and USSD especially)

There is a cost involved, however it is always in third world countries that somehow the prices must be higher than they are in first world countries because somehow, even though the subscriber base is larger in the third world, it costs more apparently to deliver the same service (despite the fact that often the networks are using "hand-me-down" equipment from first world countries).

Its actually this- they presume that third world people are stupid and deserving of being charged more. This is an attitiude I've seen across all networks in SA, networks in neighbouring countries and basically throughout Africa and places like India.

South Africa's network operators are especially devious, the people who own/run them will sell their own mother, their wives, their children, for profit. They feel nothing for the client base and will actively seek out ways to rip them off, whether its dropped calls, disappearing data/airtime, or expiring data/airtime, there's many tricks in that arsenal. We're a world leader in screwing over cellular clients. The Americans have even learnt how, from us.

So assuming this does come to pass (it won't because they will tie up the regulator and SA govt in legal wranglings for years, or will simply bribe the ANC to make this go away), they will get what they deserve and I feel nothing for them, Vodacom and EMPTY-N especially, they can go cry a river or burn in hell, whichever suits.

But like I said, it ain't gonna happen. Not in my lifetime, it goes against what their friends are doing in other poor countries.

Thank you for that. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

they presume that third world people are stupid and deserving of being charged more. This is an attitiude I've seen across all networks in SA, networks in neighbouring countries and basically throughout Africa and places like India.
So they are doing nothing to alleviate the poverty cycle, but rather feeding it.
Scumbags to say the least.
 

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Thank you for that. :thumbsup::thumbsup:


So they are doing nothing to alleviate the poverty cycle, but rather feeding it.
Scumbags to say the least.
I thought you knew this? This is exactly what it is yes.
When I find the links again, I will share them- articles written in the US about the same issue.
 

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I`m not opposed to a heavily throttled open connection with certain types of content disallowed.
Education sucks in SA, but it doesn't have to if you have internet.
That said... I think something like that needs to be funded by tax money at cost.... maybe take SABC's annual bailout and do that instead.
 
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DreamKing

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Can't really compare food, clothes and medicine to something you cant see or feel.

What is data? Is there a manufacturing process? Does it need to be transported to stores daily? Can you run out?

no need to pay for salary?
no need to pay for rental?
no need to pay for electricity?
.......................

everything for free!!! viva anc ............ viva .............
 

Beyond.Celsus

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no need to pay for salary?
no need to pay for rental?
no need to pay for electricity?
.......................

everything for free!!! viva anc ............ viva .............

Everything for free?
No.
Not getting ripped off?
Absolutely

But hey, if you are happy getting ripped off by everyone you are welcome to keep paying inflated prices with a smile on your face.
 

DreamKing

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Everything for free?
No.
Not getting ripped off?
Absolutely

But hey, if you are happy getting ripped off by everyone you are welcome to keep paying inflated prices with a smile on your face.

ripped off is one thing, however, to force companies to provide free service is the other.
THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.

you, anc, the ruling party has the sole obligation to create the free and fair environment for doing business in SA .
so you may ask, what the anc can do about it? the answer is a very simple, open the market to any company. that is the very first step the government must do.
 

DreamKing

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Everything for free?
No.
Not getting ripped off?
Absolutely

But hey, if you are happy getting ripped off by everyone you are welcome to keep paying inflated prices with a smile on your face.

furthermore, if we assume your argument is valid. so we don't need NHI, we don't have housing problem, we also don't have food problem, just to force the companies to provide everything for free to the poor. any stock exchange listed company must reserve 50% of their profits to poor people for free, problem solved? right?
 
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