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Gauteng education department, school in court over additional placements

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Johannesburg – Hoërskool Overvaal in Vereeniging will head to the North Gauteng High Court in Pretoria on Tuesday to try to overturn a Gauteng education department decision forcing the school to accept an additional 55 pupils.

The school's governing body brought the urgent application after the Gauteng education department took an administrative decision to place the pupils in the school, over and above the 142 pupils already accepted by the institution.

The 55 pupils all applied to Hoërskool Overvaal.

The school maintains that it has reached its capacity, but the department says the pupils were denied places based on their language preference.

In its answering affidavit, the education department said language could not be used to segregate pupils.

The school's Afrikaans-only language policy was previously rejected by the department.

Still fighting 'separatist language'

The department also said in its affidavit that Afrikaans was a language that symbolised "sorrow and tears to the majority of those whom it was not their mother tongue".

"Today… we still fight the same separatist language exacerbated by a denial of transformation by certain sectors of society."

The department also maintained that it had the right to place the pupils at the school.

"A school governing body plays no part in the process of [the] admission of learners and does not declare [that the school is filled to capacity] as that is the duty of the department."

It said the school, with 21 classrooms, has a capacity of 840 learners, but currently only accepts 621.

Additional furniture and textbooks have already been procured and an English educator will be appointed for the pupils, the department said.

The school is set to open for the 2018 academic year on January 17.

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I know of a school in that area that recently had two new store-rooms built. Very nice ones, with big windows, tiled floors and blackboards on the wall. But according to the building plan, its storerooms. And each one is used to store 30 tables and chairs.
 

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Afrikaans school's bid to stop admission of English-speaking pupils postponed

PRETORIA - An urgent application brought by an Afrikaans high school in Vereeniging to stop the admission of 55 English-speaking pupils has been postponed until Thursday.

This to allow the school's governing body time to file a replying affidavit.

The Hoërskool Overvaal's management has argued that it has reached full capacity and doesn't have enough space to admit any more pupils.

The department has criticised the school for using language as a means of exclusion.
More at: http://ewn.co.za/2018/01/09/afrikaa...dmission-of-english-speaking-pupils-postponed
 

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The department also said in its affidavit that Afrikaans was a language that symbolised "sorrow and tears to the majority of those whom it was not their mother tongue".
Yet they want the students to be taught in English, which I assume is also not the mother tongue of the students wanting to go to this school.
Additional furniture and textbooks have already been procured and an English educator will be appointed for the pupils, the department said.
 
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Additional furniture and textbooks have already been procured and an English educator will be appointed for the pupils, the department said.
A single teacher to teach all 100+ kids in English? Or do they expect the current Afrikaans teacher to pull double duty and teach in English as well because I'm telling you, boet, that are going to be a very difficult task indeed.
 

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why must they be forced to do it? if there is a need for english why are they not providing classes for these pupils? start at grade 8 and then every year add the next grade. once the department changes the scope of governing bodies its going to get dicey. governing bodies will fight tooth and nail to hold onto what they have. you get the idea that the department is done with playing nice.
 

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The department also said in its affidavit that Afrikaans was a language that symbolised "sorrow and tears to the majority of those whom it was not their mother tongue".
Wait...hold on...just how old are these kids if Afrikaans symbolizes "sorrow and tears" to them?
 

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Hoërskool Overvaal denies allegations of racial segregation

Pretoria – Hoërskool Overvaal has denied that it is using Afrikaans as a tool to exclude students from attending the school and that 55 pupils – who need placement - were not placed in the school as a result of racial segregation.

The school's governing body brought an urgent application before the North Gauteng High Court in Pretoria on Tuesday in a bid to overturn a Gauteng education department's decision to place an additional 55 pupils at the school.

The school, which uses Afrikaans as a medium of instruction, has claimed that the school is full and cannot accommodate the additional pupils. It also claims that two schools that fall within the feeder zone have the capacity to accommodate the group.

The department however rubbished claims of the Vereeniging school's capacity being reached, saying there was evidence which showed the school had space and that students were denied places based on their language preference.

'Racism'

Parents who live near the high school in Vereeniging claim to pass the school every day in order to take their children to schools much further away, because their children have been excluded on what they claim are racial grounds.

The parents, who were also at the court, also echoed the sentiments of the department, saying that Hoërskool Overvaal was the only high school in the area which covered about six suburbs. They also said sending their children to other schools, which were as far as 15 kilometres away, proved more expensive.

"It's unfortunate that from where we are observing it, it's nothing but a racial issue, there is high racism that is taking place in that area and we believe that they are doing so to deny our children access [to] that school," said parent Thloriso Mofokeng.

In their replying affidavit, Hoërskool Overvaal's governing body chairperson Gerhardus Petrus Visagie said allegations of racial discrimination and the use of language to segregate were devoid of all truth.

"The department is also fully aware that the school has a number of black learners whose choice of language for education has been to be in Afrikaans who have been admitted in the past and have also been admitted for purposes of 2018," said Visagie.

He has also denied that that language was being used as a tool for segregation, saying that the Schools Act and the Gauteng Schools Education Act made provisions for language policy.

"This is not a case where the school intends to deprive English-speaking learners an opportunity to receive a basic education in circumstances where they cannot be accommodated in schools as a result of the fact that the neighbouring schools are full."

Visagie said had it been the case that additional English learners could not be accommodated in neighbouring schools, the approach of the school would have been different in the circumstances where the school had capacity.

Furthermore, Visagie said that he had communication from the headmasters of both Phoenix High School and General Smuts High School, which stated that they had capacity for the 55 pupils.

Both schools use English as a medium of instruction and, to some extent, overlap with the feeder zone of Hoërskool Overvaal, said Visagie.

The department's spokesperson Steve Mabona said the school could not use its language policy to exclude pupils from accessing the school.

"We will work tirelessly to make sure that schools are accessed as per a need, because if one resides in an area and wants to access a school. We don't see why a language needs to be used as a precursor of whether you can access the school or not," said Mabona.

He added that the defence that the school was at maximum capacity was also untrue.

The application was postponed to Thursday after the school's governing body submitted the lengthy replying affidavit on Tuesday.

News24
https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/...es-allegations-of-racial-segregation-20180109
 

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This Afrikaans remains an unnessesary problem. My son's school hardly has Afrikaans pupils and yet it remains compulsory. In his class there is not a single Afrikaans speaking pupil. This begs the question how relevant is Afrikaans for non Afrikaners in 2018? Almost all Afrikaans people are bilingual and can speak English. Most black people are also bilingual i.e. can speak mother tongue and English. We as black people have met white people halfway by learning their language and that is not enough still. We must learn an additional white peoples language while they learn none of ours. White people are no longer in power but to a large extent still want to control the education our kids receive.
 
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This Afrikaans remains an unnessesary problem. My son's school hardly has Afrikaans pupils and yet it remains compulsory. In his class there is not a single Afrikaans speaking pupil. This begs the question how relevant is Afrikaans for non Afrikaners in 2018? Almost all Afrikaans people are bilingual and can speak English. Most black people are also bilingual i.e. can speak mother tongue and English. We as black people have met white people halfway by learning their language and that is not enough still. We must learn an additional white peoples language while they learn none of ours. White people are no longer in power but to a large extent still want to control the education our kids receive.
They care about their kid's education. Nobody is forcing non Afrikaans speaking children to take Afrikaans.

Well it is quite evident that the assault on white and Afrikaans continues unabatedly. Our education system has already collapsed and they are now moving on to the few remaining functioning schools.
 

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They care about their kid's education. Nobody is forcing non Afrikaans speaking children to take Afrikaans.

Well it is quite evident that the assault on white and Afrikaans continues unabatedly. Our education system has already collapsed and they are now moving on to the few remaining functioning schools.
So how is employing an extra English teacher to teach the English medium classes going to impact their kids education?
 

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So how is employing an extra English teacher to teach the English medium classes going to impact their kids education?
At the school that is full?

I suppose you believe one can make a baby in 1 month by throwing 9 women at the problem?
 

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At the school that is full?

I suppose you believe one can make a baby in 1 month by throwing 9 women at the problem?
Somewhere in the article it says the school has 21 classrooms with a capacity of 840 learners, but currently only accepts 621. Work with me on the Maths. There is space for 200+ more kids and you call that full?
 

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Somewhere in the article it says the school has 21 classrooms with a capacity of 840 learners, but currently only accepts 621. Work with me on the Maths. There is space for 200+ more kids and you call that full?
Because 840/21 is 40 kids per a classroom, that's insane. 30 per a class is a safe number and anymore than that starts to get harder for the teacher to actually teach. Just because you can cram 40+ kids into a classroom doesn't make them able to be taught.
 

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Because 840/21 is 40 kids per a classroom, that's insane. 30 per a class is a safe number and anymore than that starts to get harder for the teacher to actually teach. Just because you can cram 40+ kids into a classroom doesn't make them able to be taught.
Do yourself a favour and go read the norms and standards for public schools. 40 learners per class is the maximum for primary and secondary schools. Only Grade R classes are limited to 30.
You either abide by the norms and standards or take your little brats to private school.
 

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Do yourself a favour and go read the norms and standards for public schools. 40 learners per class is the maximum for primary and secondary schools. Only Grade R classes are limited to 30.
You either abide by the norms and standards or take your little brats to private school.
MAXIMUM isn't norms and standards, it means this is the absolute maximum amount per a classroom you should have, it doesn't mean you should have that. And also I never said it's not done I said it's insane as 40 is a lot and it's probably why the SA education is so spectacular at the moment. Unfortunately I only have the option of sending my child to a private school as the lovely government hasn't seen fit to build any new schools in close on 20 years in my area and the closet we aren't in their feeding zone.
Also most decent public schools still will limit it to around 30 per a class which is also a bit high, but it's still manageable.
 

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MAXIMUM isn't norms and standards, it means this is the absolute maximum amount per a classroom you should have, it doesn't mean you should have that. And also I never said it's not done I said it's insane as 40 is a lot and it's probably why the SA education is so spectacular at the moment. Unfortunately I only have the option of sending my child to a private school as the lovely government hasn't seen fit to build any new schools in close on 20 years in my area and the closet we aren't in their feeding zone.
Also most decent public schools still will limit it to around 30 per a class which is also a bit high, but it's still manageable.
But then something isn't full until maximum capacity is reached. Even though less than 40 learners per class is ideal (trust me, I know as a former teacher), sometimes circumstances dictate that we make do with the resources at hand provided the agreed norms and standards are not violated. Like I said, if the classes are too big for your liking, there's always private education. You don't go to a public hospital and expect a private ward now do you?
 
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