Gay marriages are Un-African!

[chiskop]

the Bottom line is - The software developed called HARNIS and the population register system cant handle 2 males/females being married. And the system is so outdated it cant be changed.

That's hardly the bottom line - the bottom line is that people's rights are being infringed (whether or not you like|dislike it is besides the point).

Laws, and even software systems eek: ) have to be changed to accommodate this.

 

[kilo39]

About the profile of the IRISH volunteers, here's the link.
http://www.southafrica.info/ess_info/sa_glance/social_delivery/niall-mellon.htm

Nothing about the profile of the volunteers (beyond the fact they are volunteers - what is the profile of a volunteer!!) And as I am sure you are aware all/most big business support charity in some way: and many rich peeps do the same. Let's also not forget charity is big business and a fulltime job.

Paying taxes is mandatory almost the world over, so no medal for you, sorry!

No, paying tax is not mandatory the world over. In most countries you have to make a certain amount of money to pay tax (as here: its called the rebate.)

Even the poorest person in this country pays tax.

Um no. Some of the poorest people pay tax if they are in the formal economy. Many/most in this country are not. Further minimum wage earners do not pay tax, they qualify for the rebate (as of last year: 34000 odd rand.)

I was actually refering to instances where ppl do stuff out of the goodness of their hearts as well as the willingness to correct the wrongs of the past for the betterment of the future.

Yes, they an afford to (my original point.) Shuttleworth and crew do stuff out of the goodness of their hearts. Your view is myopic.

25% of South Africans are unemployed, that number could be halved if only the super rich ppl of this country could stop crying victim and instead get involved in some positive nation builiding initiatives. The real victims are the poor here.

Cry me a river: and no the percentage is far higher than 25%. In some communities 70% are unemployed. AFAIK the official figure is 42% unemployed (your figure may come from factoring informal sector, ie, non tax payers.)

The ANC government has failed dismally by intituting policies that favour big business and do precious little for the poor. Let me enlighten you on some of the ANC's failures...

In terms of income inequality, today South Africa ranks 116th out of 124 nations.

Average white household income has risen 15% since the end of apartheid.
Average black household income has fallen by 19%

The ANC gvt has failed to deliver on its promise in the Freedom Charter to redistribute 30% of the country’s agricultural land from 60,000 white farmers to blacks. Since apartheid ended, approximately 2% has been transferred.

In the last ten years of apartheid 737,000 people, mostly poor black farming families, were evicted from white-owned land. In the first decade of democracy, under ANC rule, 942,000 were evicted. While the ANC has brought in legislation to prevent evictions, it is neither resourced, nor enforced.

And this is how it all happened...
The ANC introduced GEAR, Growth, Emploment and Residstibution, as its new economic strategy.
Two years later, the United Nations Development Programme described GEAR as basically ‘no different’ from the economic strategy of the apartheid regime.

The other major ANC economic initiative is Black Economic Empowerment. Archbishop Tutu described it as ‘crony capitalism’ wherby the struggle aristocracy of the ANC receive appointments to the boards of major corporations. Macozoma, Sexwale, Ramaphosa , you get my drift?

All of this was meant to show you that we won't get anywhere, as long as we still look up to the jackasses in parliament to do what's right for the country. They are nothing but a bunch of self serving a**holes that don't give a **** about the country.

And "rich charitable peeps are going to solve it?" What exactly is your point?

 

[Bageloo]

Kilo39...It seems you are hellbent of desputing everything I say. I'm afraid I cannot indulge you any more as I'm busy on other threads.
Just a quick one before I go, tax is a lot broader than just "income tax". And yes everyone pays tax in one way or the other. Even my 2 year old son pays tax from his tuk money at daycare.

 

[jontyB]

Kilo39...It seems you are hellbent of desputing everything I say. I'm afraid I cannot indulge you any more as I'm busy on other threads.
Just a quick one before I go, tax is a lot broader than just "income tax". And yes everyone pays tax in one way or the other. Even my 2 year old son pays tax from his tuk money at daycare.

Well, if you're referring to VAT you're a little optimistic if you think everyone contributes in that brand of tax.

 

[Xarog]

Your remark caught my and I assume your viewpoint then is than doing drugs,naaing,animal corpse and gay marriage does not cause harm to an innocent party, will that include parties in the future???

I don't see why it should. Perhaps you have a specific example?

Well said, but to futher- Problems arise when there is disagreement over whether an action should be considered as 'wrong but not harmful to others' or 'wrong and harmful to others'.

eg, I think it's disgusting to shag dead animals, but I don't think it affects me; alanf on the other had think that if others shag dead animals then this is harmful to the community as a whole.

Lots of things can be considered harmful to the community as a whole. Infact anything can be considered harmful to the community as a whole, depending what the community as a whole believes. There has to be a standard beyond 'harmful to the community as a whole' before we start legislating against it.

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I'll get to all this land business in a bit.

 

[Piesang]

How did the Gay Marriages end up be a tax related story??

 

[mancombseepgood]

I think all gay people should be taxed per same sex spouse....
oh... no I think I'm confusing my threads.

 

[TELESPHORE]

How did the Gay Marriages end up be a tax related story??

Also trying to figure that one out. Seems like it took a bend when too many things were trying to be said in one post and knowing some people do not really comprehend what they read, a gut full of gibberish just starts appearing. Lots of bird shot being let go and see where it hits.

Anyway Tax on Gay marriages should not be a bad idea – it is going to cost an arm and a leg in all kinds of legal costs arising from this unnatural state of affairs. This is a can of worms that is going to bite SA in more than one place and the least is going to be the bite between the legs.

 

[Claymore]

Anyway Tax on Gay marriages should not be a bad idea – it is going to cost an arm and a leg in all kinds of legal costs arising from this unnatural state of affairs. This is a can of worms that is going to bite SA in more than one place and the least is going to be the bite between the legs.

Do you have any reason for suggesting this? In any case, legal costs from heterosexual marriages and divorces will always completely dwarf those from gay marriages.

If you think that legal costs (from divorces, presumably) are a valid reason to discriminate against people, let us start with Jews and evangelical Christians, since they have higher rates of divorce than other religious groups or non-religious groupings.