GBV: We as men are the problem, says Springboks legend Bryan Habana

[grok]

Oh yeah, walking like a boss since I'm now officially a privileged white racist rapist wife beater through no action of my own.

I reckon if Habana or the men in his family has a problem they should seek help, and not generalize their afflictions in my direction..

 

[Herr der Verboten]

GBV is more than just actions, it is also a huge culture around being "manly" to the point where it is seen that you need to dominate multiple layers of society, ie control your woman, control your home, control your children.

Well, you are an idiot if you are a red pill man; very much the same if you fall to the other extreme: blue pill. Most folks by now could work this out by now, that being neither is better

 

[grok]

GBV is more than just actions, it is also a huge culture around being "manly" to the point where it is seen that you need to dominate multiple layers of society, ie control your woman, control your home, control your children.

It also leads to a habit where many men want the toughest of the tough, vicious dogs, big cars, tough activities, etc.

It is reflective on this very forum where some forumites feel like gatekepers of the sex, proclaiming "they're not REAL men", threatening violence against anyone they disagree with as if klapping someone makes them correct.

There is also a habit to associate negative traits with the female sex, feminine nouns and adjectives are associated to people who they dislike.

So it isn't just violence, it is a whole cultural shift around that it is important to be the manliest man ever, and some people intepret that in different ways or else their identity feels threatened. We can't even joke about sexuality without some people feeling insecure.

Abzo covered a really important topic, as important as politics and race

"Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Saviour."
Ephesians 5: 22-23

"Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness I permit no woman to teach or have authority over a man; rather, she is to remain silent."
1 Timothy 2: 11-12

I suggest you take up complaints & disagreements with God, mkay..

 

[Herr der Verboten]

I suggest you take up complaints & disagreements with God, mkay..

Dink nie iemand wat sy eie pornos maak is gepla met die wit baas nie. haha.

 

[STS]

I suggest you take up complaints & disagreements with God, mkay..

Religion is pretty sexist, I agree. It is also guilty for toxic masculinity

 

[STS]

Dink nie iemand wat sy eie pornos maak is gepla met die wit baas nie. haha.

Jesus is wit?

 

[EagleEyed]

No Bryan. You are the problem. Not all men. The problem with the world, especially South Africa, is that they have no clue how to deal with this problem. Good luck with your future though.

 

[Herr der Verboten]

Jesus is wit?

Of course met sexy lang bruin hare en vol baard soos jack black

 

[grok]

Religion is pretty sexist, I agree. It is also guilty for toxic masculinity

Again, we're just following instructions like Ramaphony from Zuma but you're most welcome to go Karen at The Manager if you don't like it..

 

[The Trutherizer]

A personality stems from two factors. Nature and nurture. To varying degrees for various aspects.
Do you believe GBV is due to the nature of men in general?
Do you believe GBV is due to life experiences which contributed to shaping the personalities of perpetrators ?
Do you think it's both?

Personally I believe we men are instinctively predisposed as well as physically equipped for violence. It is only how a man is brought up that will determine whether he will be more or less violent. We call this civilisation. Non-violent men is an artefact of culture.

The statement: "Men must do better" is childish and ignorant. One could go as far as calling it simplistic. Uninformed. Stupid even. You might as well say woman must be tougher. It's about as useful in solving GBV.

You raise boys well, and the law must deal appropriately with violent men to minimise how much damage they can do. Even this is an oversimplification - But miles better than just "Men must do better."

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[Charlesjjm]

I suggest you take up complaints & disagreements with God, mkay..

Don't forget these:
1 Peter 3:7 7 Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers.

Ephesians 5:25-30 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[b] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body.

 

[Moosedrool]

GBV is more than just actions, it is also a huge culture around being "manly" to the point where it is seen that you need to dominate multiple layers of society, ie control your woman, control your home, control your children.

It also leads to a habit where many men want the toughest of the tough, vicious dogs, big cars, tough activities, etc.

It is reflective on this very forum where some forumites feel like gatekepers of the sex, proclaiming "they're not REAL men", threatening violence against anyone they disagree with as if klapping someone makes them correct.

There is also a habit to associate negative traits with the female sex, feminine nouns and adjectives are associated to people who they dislike.

So it isn't just violence, it is a whole cultural shift around that it is important to be the manliest man ever, and some people intepret that in different ways or else their identity feels threatened. We can't even joke about sexuality without some people feeling insecure.

Abzo covered a really important topic, as important as politics and race

I'm not sure how you we're taught or whatever conclusions you've arrived at but in a decent household it's taught that beating a women is the most un-manly thing you can do.

This behaviour has nothing to do with being a man but rather severe passive aggressive issues from men who refuse to take responsibility and control over their own lives. Evading responsibilities, blaming others for their own mistakes, playing victim more often than not. etc... The hidden anger then gets shoved onto the person who's with them the most.

This is not manly traits at all.

 

[STS]

I'm not sure how you we're taught or whatever conclusions you've arrived at but in a decent household it's taught that beating a women is the most un-manly thing you can do.

This behaviour has nothing to do with being a man but rather severe passive aggressive issues from men who refuse to take responsibility and control over their own lives. Evading responsibilities, blaming others for their own mistakes, playing victim more often than not. etc... The hidden anger then gets shoved onto the person who's with them the most.

This is not manly traits at all.

I can see it from your point of view too, I was one-sided in my thinking. A good upbringing plays a huge role. I was just thinking of the "manne" I grew up in my small town with who revved cars, grabbed girls asses, got knock-out drunk, etc.

 

[STS]

Again, we're just following instructions like Ramaphony from Zuma but you're most welcome to go Karen at The Manager if you don't like it..

There is no Manager, just a book with sexist interpretations

 

[Aghori]

Explains a lot.

 

[Nicodeamus]

@abzo how many times have you raised your hands for a women?

In the World where personal experience seems to matter, perhaps you can enlighten us on how you dealt with the grief.

@abzo you still haven’t awnsered my question. How many times have you physically harmed a women?

 

[Nicodeamus]

GBV is more than just actions, it is also a huge culture around being "manly" to the point where it is seen that you need to dominate multiple layers of society, ie control your woman, control your home, control your children.

It also leads to a habit where many men want the toughest of the tough, vicious dogs, big cars, tough activities, etc.

It is reflective on this very forum where some forumites feel like gatekepers of the sex, proclaiming "they're not REAL men", threatening violence against anyone they disagree with as if klapping someone makes them correct.

There is also a habit to associate negative traits with the female sex, feminine nouns and adjectives are associated to people who they dislike.

So it isn't just violence, it is a whole cultural shift around that it is important to be the manliest man ever, and some people intepret that in different ways or else their identity feels threatened. We can't even joke about sexuality without some people feeling insecure.

Abzo covered a really important topic, as important as politics and race

that is just bull. Men always play rougher and tougher with each other. That sort of behavior doesn’t lead to GBV any more than cursing on a building site makes me disrespect my mother.

violence behavior has been studied for a few centuries now and it has been empirically proven that in general two social problems lead to more violence.

1. Not enforcing the law and 2. fathers that neglect their children.

none of the Cultural theories can withstand scrutiny.

I can recommend Steven Pinker’s book on violence that empirically demonstrates that violence declined World Wide when the rule of law was enforced, when men stopped defending their honor and ironically when there is a larget set of older folks in a population.

if you care about GBV then perhaps make an example of those men by enforcing the law. Collective shame or blaming a masculine culture doesn’t do anything.

 

[Moosedrool]

I can see it from your point of view too, I was one-sided in my thinking. A good upbringing plays a huge role. I was just thinking of the "manne" I grew up in my small town with who revved cars, grabbed girls asses, got knock-out drunk, etc.

The type of people you're describing is why I'm pro corporal punishment. Time out in a room with gaming pc and fibre connection is not an effective way too discipline a kid. And the manchildren you're confusing with masculinity or manliness is a pure example of that.

 

[konfab]

GBV is more than just actions, it is also a huge culture around being "manly" to the point where it is seen that you need to dominate multiple layers of society, ie control your woman, control your home, control your children.

Yet the very same people who preach the GBV narrative are the ones that want the state to dominate all those things.

It also leads to a habit where many men want the toughest of the tough, vicious dogs, big cars, tough activities, etc.

Why do you think men want those things? Do you think it is to appease other men?

It also leads to a habit where many men want the toughest of the tough, vicious dogs, big cars, tough activities, etc.

There is also a habit to associate negative traits with the female sex, feminine nouns and adjectives are associated to people who they dislike.

Self awareness isn't really your strong suit is it?

So it isn't just violence, it is a whole cultural shift around that it is important to be the manliest man ever, and some people intepret that in different ways or else their identity feels threatened.

You see, it is men that need to change. KNEEL BEFORE THE PRINCESS.

We can't even joke about sexuality without some people

LOL


You want a real critique of what is wrong with men watch this video:

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

Did you do your 100 apology prostrations today?

200... I'm banking them for when I fsck up later one.

Good. You can haz 1 merit point.

Here ya go: