GBV: We as men are the problem, says Springboks legend Bryan Habana

[Vrotappel]

Funny how we reject the negative race/gender associations but will happily take credit for the positive associations regardless of the fact that we had no part in their realization aside from sharing race/gender.

Please don't go all surface on us. And here he is ^

 

[Herr der Verboten]

Welcome to Mansplaining GBV 101.

what is a Mansplaining -maumau

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

Took an overnight for a cheerleader to appear but appear the cuck did!

 

[Vorastra]

How are so many of you being drawn in by @abzo the troll...?

 

[azbob]

Remember who built the bridges argument?

For goodness sake, can you for once not look at the bright side? What if most violent criminals happen to be men. Look at scientists that are mostly men.

Is it like the colonialism argument? Men have brought so much to the world that a little bit of GBV here and there is okay.

 

[Vrotappel]

Two heavyweights having a go.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1295437541982842880

 

[Herr der Verboten]

How are so many of you being drawn in by @abzo the troll...?

Dis vrydag kom ons duik?

 

[rietrot]

Is it like the colonialism argument? Men have brought so much to the world that a little bit of GBV here and there is okay.

I love it when you show off just how stupid identity politics are.

You probably don't even realize how valid your own argument is in your own world view, where it is perfectly okay to make broad generalisations based on group identity.

Then yes.

 

[Ancalagon]

This toxic masculinity kak again.

"Guys teach your boys to respect women" - these groundbreaking developments

Funnily enough, you have this exactly right, only the emphasis that is wrong. I might rephrase this as:
"Fathers, teach your sons how to fit into the world."

The key word there is father. Boys learn how to relate to the world and fit into it morally from their fathers. If the father is absent, then it is more difficult (but not impossible) for the boy to learn how to respect others.

In fact, you don't really need fathers to do anything specific. They just need to be there for their sons, as role models and guiding figures, and the sons will do better in this world, both in terms of success but also in terms of their character.

Of course, feminism would rather blame this phenomenon on toxic masculinity (which doesn't exist) than acknowledging that fathers are necessary.

If you want to reduce GBV, ensure that fathers are involved in the lives of their children.

 

[dj2381]

How are so many of you being drawn in by @abzo the troll...?

He's a bit of a narcissist and that in itself means he is abusive to those around him.

 

[WaxLyrical]

Funnily enough, you have this exactly right, only the emphasis that is wrong. I might rephrase this as:
"Fathers, teach your sons how to fit into the world."

The key word there is father. Boys learn how to relate to the world and fit into it morally from their fathers. If the father is absent, then it is more difficult (but not impossible) for the boy to learn how to respect others.

In fact, you don't really need fathers to do anything specific. They just need to be there for their sons, as role models and guiding figures, and the sons will do better in this world, both in terms of success but also in terms of their character.

Of course, feminism would rather blame this phenomenon on toxic masculinity (which doesn't exist) than acknowledging that fathers are necessary.

If you want to reduce GBV, ensure that fathers are involved in the lives of their children.

It's becoming increasingly annoying with sportsman feeling the need to "make a contribution" on something that is obvious.
The person feels the world has forgotten about me so let me say something important so get a rush of the recognition I once had or...
Rinse and repeat and get people to talk.

 

[azbob]

Too many real men deflecting from the topic at hand. Why are they afraid to confront the realities of GBV?

@Ancalagon you’ve addressed the same point that @Nicodeamus has. It’s easy enough to say “have a father!” What if someone is a widow? What if those kids have no father figure in their life? I would like to hear your thoughts.

 

[Herr der Verboten]

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Hoop jyt jouself gewas na die tyd. Sies man.

 

[Nicodeamus]

Ok until such toxicity subsides, there won’t be any progress against GBV. Thanks to the real men who are willing to participate.

again people don’t change their behavior if you preach to them. You change it by enforcing the law.

It's becoming increasingly annoying with sportsman feeling the need to "make a contribution" on something that is obvious.
The person feels the world has forgotten about me so let me say something important so get a rush of the recognition I once had or...
Rinse and repeat and get people to talk.

Sportsmen and Celebrities have always been making stupid and hypocritical remarks. I don’t know about you, but I’ve never gotten my moral inspiration from them.

remember Hansie and the Devil?
Joost and the drugs?
Muslim Mohammed Ali and his prostitutes?
Lance Amstrong’s it’s not about the bike
Greta Thurnburg and her flights to reduce carbon emissions?

These people generally aren’t very bright.

I bet OJ Simpson would be preaching to us about GBV today. (That is my impression of @abzo )

 

[ToxicBunny]

Too many real men deflecting from the topic at hand. Why are they afraid to confront the realities of GBV?

@Ancalagon you’ve addressed the same point that @Nicodeamus has. It’s easy enough to say “have a father!” What if someone is a widow? What if those kids have no father figure in their life? I would like to hear your thoughts.

What is the topic at hand, other than a bullshyte generalisation?

 

[Ponderer]

Let me give you another animal analogy since animal analogies seem to be all that some people understand.

Only female mosquitoes bite and transmit disease. Do you check if the mosquito has a vagina* before killing it? #NotAllMosquitoes

*I’m not saying that only female mosquitoes can have a vagina but for the sake of simplifying this discussion. Gender identity variation amongst mosquitoes is a complex topic.

Did you consent to a lobotomy?
How, for the life of me, is it possible that you can be so completely obtuse?
You are really/truly abzolutely ...

 

[Herr der Verboten]

What is the topic at hand, other than a bullshyte generalization?

Coxcomb says we are a problem, well if you are a man (and probably white).

 

[ToxicBunny]

Coxcomb says we are a problem, well if you are a man (and probably white).

Guilty on both fronts then, so clearly I'm just a problem. I must go see my shrink to work through these issues.

 

[Ponderer]

Funny how we reject the negative race/gender associations but will happily take credit for the positive associations regardless of the fact that we had no part in their realization aside from sharing race/gender.

Not as funny as those who scrounge for things to further/push a particular agenda.

 

[Ancalagon]

Too many real men deflecting from the topic at hand. Why are they afraid to confront the realities of GBV?

@Ancalagon you’ve addressed the same point that @Nicodeamus has. It’s easy enough to say “have a father!” What if someone is a widow? What if those kids have no father figure in their life? I would like to hear your thoughts.

You create a society that values all aspects of masculinity, including fatherhood. You create a court system that is fair to fathers and mothers. Did you know that in South Africa, you can be forced to pay maintenance but yet have zero visitation rights? Did you know that? You must kak and betaal but you can't see your kids. Can only happen to a father.

Western society no longer values men or masculinity. What do you think will happen? I mean, flip it should have been obvious.

The fact is that losing your father as a young kid is going to be damaging no matter what you do. There are no cures for that. Trust me, I know. As is having an abusive father - again, no cure for that, and difficult to overcome. We cannot help every single little boy out there, as much as we'd like to. But maybe if you make sure that father knows how important he is to his children's wellbeing, make sure that the court treats him as an equal parent and not just Uncle Dad, and maybe things will change.

As it is though, I don't think so. Everytime men campaign for father's rights, they get shouted down and called sexist. So my prediction is that GBV is going to get worse, not better, in the Western world.

Also, something I'd love to stop, but I know I never will, is women telling men how to be men. Imagine if I gave a seminar entitled "Women: How to make your husband happy." The feminists would get me fired from my job and then hang me from a lamp post. But its perfectly fine for a feminist to say how men ought to behave and think.

Newsflash - we aren't women. We don't think the same way. We don't act the same way. Men need to solve this, by ourselves and for ourselves. Unfortunately, some things are and will likely remain beyond our grasp, such as a fair court system.