GBV: We as men are the problem, says Springboks legend Bryan Habana

[Sinbad]

No.

If you're abusive, you go to prison. Your wife proves that you are abusive, and you spend time in jail, and because of that, you cannot see your children.

But this has to go to court. You have to be found guilty. A judge has to agree.

It cannot simply be, he is a man and the mother said she doesn't him to see the kids. No, wrong. They are both the parents. Unless one of them is mentally ill or a criminal, then they both have EQUAL rights. You cannot just make an accusation of abuse - which is what countless mothers do. You have to prove it, in a court of law.

The law should not take sides, but it does now.

Of course. Not once did I say it must be just sommer a decision by the mother.

 

[3WA]

I am sure you don't have such people in your circles. Neither do I.

But it is like racism.
Surely you have heard someone at a braai refer to women in a derogatory way?
Surely you have witnessed or heard about an acquaintance treat their wife or girlfriend in a way that is demeaning and domineering.

Now I can't say what you should do, because it depends on the circumstances.
Sometimes silence is better.
Sometimes we should speak up

I was actually giving this some thought last night. I thought about everyone I know, and who is most likely to be a wife-beater (I'm not saying they are, I'm just saying if I had to accuse someone, it’d more likely be them than anyone else I know). I ended up on an uncle of mine, a polygamist who I've seen be verbally abusive to his wife and children (but never seen him be physical). I haven’t spoken to him in ten years, or even met his current wife (wives?), so I can't exactly knock on the door and start making polite enquiries as to whether they are being abused.

But as I said previously, I long ago filtered out people who are abusive or violent, so I don't really see demeaning or domineering behaviour at social gatherings (maybe I don't have enough exposure to new people?). My girlfriend and I mostly hang out with other couples whose behaviour seems perfectly acceptable to me.

 

[noxibox]

Maybe this clown should speak for himself.

Just look at the Epstein case where the police knew what he was doing. The problem is policing. You need a whole department for internet policing like you have a department for alcohol and drugs. Only when there is a consequence then will people stop.

The police already have specialised units that deal with what Epstein was doing. If they knew and turned a blind eye then it was because he was rich and connected. Consequences are for the little people.

I hadn't actually noticed that people had stopped making, selling and using drugs. When did this happen?

I am sure you don't have such people in your circles. Neither do I.

But it is like racism.
Surely you have heard someone at a braai refer to women in a derogatory way?
Surely you have witnessed or heard about an acquaintance treat their wife or girlfriend in a way that is demeaning and domineering.

I haven't heard someone referring to women in a derogatory way, but then I'm also not looking for sexism in every word.

I have occasionally encountered someone treating a wife or girlfriend in a demeaning or domineering way, but in my experience far more common is a woman treating her husband or boyfriend in a demeaning or domineering way. I've also witnessed women deliberately provoking their husband or boyfriend. The aim being to verbally abuse and taunt him until he loses his temper.

Husband in court after shooting wife 'thinking it was an intruder'

#WomxnLivesMatters

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Only idiots lacking the basic skills needed to look up a word's etymology use terms like womxn.

Hint: it is not related to the word man.

 

[Datura]

 

[konfab]

If men are the problem, does that leave any agency for woman?

Former Springboks winger Bryan Habana said: “I am of the opinion that we as men are the problem. We need to be the solution including young boys and older gentlemen. If we are not going to play our part as men, the problem of gender-based violence will get worse.”

You see, you cannot expect woman to play any role in this. Because all woman are perfect and behave morally in every single situation. We cannot expect woman to change their behaviour.

 

[Aghori]

Eh well you can expect these things from a virtue signalling closeted self-hater like Habana.

 

[Vrotappel]

I'm sure our boy Vrotappel wasn't tryina push no particular agendas.

Talk to me not about me.

Why did I trigger you this good morning?

 

[konfab]

He needs a puss-klap.

Nah.
With an attitude like his, grovelling to the alter of feminism, his wife will either leave him or make his life a living hell.

 

[Fulcrum29]

I have accepted my ‘toxic masculanity’ a very long time ago. Ek kan ‘n lekker **** wees, no denying that. This is being said in general.

 

[2023]

Man invited to speak at event gives answer aligned to the event cause.

More at 11.

 

[Lupus]

I'm a big guy, a lot of people apparently find me intimidating cause I'm big. I used to have a massive temper, but not once have I ever hit a lady, or have I ever thought of hitting one. I've been married for ten years, we've had our tiffs and I've fumed but I would never think of hitting her or my child.
I've even been in situations where I've had a lady decide at the last minute she didn't want to go through with anything and I stopped because that's what a person does. This isn't a thing all guys have and it's not a thing all ladies have.
I know a few ladies that have been physical with their husbands, beaten the living crap out of them, but the cops did nothing because how could a little lady do that to a big guy. Don't know them anymore, but if he snaps, it will more than likely be him who gets into trouble. I've also known women to verbally abuse their husbands, constantly belittle them and yet GBV focuses on men only? No the G is gender, and women can be just as bad as men.

 

[Herr der Verboten]

Should be quite easy to find something with/on Bason and quote him as a MyExpert

 

[Mila]

Is it like the colonialism argument? Men have brought so much to the world that a little bit of GBV here and there is okay.

Do you like hitting woman?
Would you like to put it out in the open? Do you rape your girlfriend when she doesn’t want to have sex?
guilt is a funny thing.

I think you might need to stop because you are sounding more and more like you want to tell us something.

Nobody ever said GBV is ok, and you trying to shift the goal posts is making you seem guilty.

 

[Mila]

Men are 5x more likely to be murdered than woman.

The GBV movement is protecting the wrong gender.

Interesting about this that it is called Gender based violence but blames only one gender.

 

[Sinbad]

Interesting about this that it is called Gender based violence but blames only one gender.

Something else interesting is that "gender based" means that the violence is BECAUSE of the gender of the people involved.
I'd argue that it's not because of the gender at all. It's because one person feels they can exercise power over another by means of violence.
To assume that a man feels he can exercise power over a woman because of her gender is to assume that men are automatically stronger than women, and feminists everywhere should be absolutely up an arms about this.

 

[konfab]

Interesting about this that it is called Gender based violence but blames only one gender.

And then exactly the same people will simultaniously claim that gender doesn't actually exist.​

 

[konfab]

Something else interesting is that "gender based" means that the violence is BECAUSE of the gender of the people involved.
I'd argue that it's not because of the gender at all. It's because one person feels they can exercise power over another by means of violence.

Which means according to that definition, abortion is also an act of gender based violence.

 

[Mila]

I have accepted my ‘toxic masculanity’ a very long time ago. Ek kan ‘n lekker **** wees, no denying that. This is being said in general.

Same here
What do we call it?
Mad cow disease?

 

[Mila]

Something else interesting is that "gender based" means that the violence is BECAUSE of the gender of the people involved.
I'd argue that it's not because of the gender at all. It's because one person feels they can exercise power over another by means of violence.
To assume that a man feels he can exercise power over a woman because of her gender is to assume that men are automatically stronger than women, and feminists everywhere should be absolutely up an arms about this.

True

And then exactly the same people will simultaniously claim that gender doesn't actually exist.​

Even more true

Which means according to that definition, abortion is also an act of gender based violence.

To say all men are guilty is to absolve all woman and make all woman victims.

No. Just no.
Not all black men are druggies
Not all whites are racist

It feels like people feel guilty and if they can share the guilt and get everyone to say yes we are all guilty it makes them feel better about themselves .

see I‘m not alone.
See i’m not bad
See its my gender I cannot help it.

f off.

 

[My_King]

I'm a big guy, a lot of people apparently find me intimidating cause I'm big. I used to have a massive temper, but not once have I ever hit a lady, or have I ever thought of hitting one. I've been married for ten years, we've had our tiffs and I've fumed but I would never think of hitting her or my child.
I've even been in situations where I've had a lady decide at the last minute she didn't want to go through with anything and I stopped because that's what a person does. This isn't a thing all guys have and it's not a thing all ladies have.
I know a few ladies that have been physical with their husbands, beaten the living crap out of them, but the cops did nothing because how could a little lady do that to a big guy. Don't know them anymore, but if he snaps, it will more than likely be him who gets into trouble. I've also known women to verbally abuse their husbands, constantly belittle them and yet GBV focuses on men only? No the G is gender, and women can be just as bad as men.

You can see the narrative on MyBB as well. WHAMAN can do no wrong, its only men.

https://mybroadband.co.za/forum/threads/farmer%E2%80%99s-daughter-22-sexually-abused-man-with-shovel-handle-before-killing-two.1097360/

But if a man just touches a woman wrong you should see the comments on that.