"Geen plek vir Afrikaans by universiteite - Nzimande"

[Polymathic]

Do you have an address or website of these schools? Do they really exist?

The official education dept stats were for primary

English : 92% of schools
Afrikaans: 8% of schools

LOL I'll try to find it, there's always the possibility that officially these schools are not officially Zulu medium schools.

My mother and uncle are teachers at the local school and according to the students who transferred from those schools most of the teaching was done in Zulu. I should point out these were Jr Primary Students

 

[HunterNW]

Pakamisa lo shovel, enza lo hol <----- Then jump in Blade

 

[losta]

LOL I'll try to find it, there's always the possibility that officially these schools are not officially Zulu medium schools.

My mother and uncle are teachers at the local school and according to the students who transferred from those schools most of the teaching was done in Zulu. I should point out these were Jr Primary Students

So it's probably an english school in Natal where the teacher helps out in isizulu if the learners don't get it

 

[GotToLuveIT]

So it's probably an english school in Natal where the teacher helps out in isizulu if the learners don't get it

lol as expected it is all Jan's faulty.

Afrikaans: the Language of Black and Coloured Dissent | South African History Online

"Afrikaans developed in (local) colonial circumstances as a contact language: The Cape was a ‘melting pot of languages’. In 1595, Dutch traders and the indigenous Khoikhoi first came into contact at the Cape. The local language Afrikaans thereby started to develop."

But it is ok the Tannie luvs it when you speak forin.

 

[Tokolotshe]

Well, wealth redistribution succeeded so well in South Africa, with everybody being rich, we now have to double down to language redistribution ...

 

[RonSwanson]

There's actually a couple Zulu medium primary schools in the former township the next town over.
Most black parents don't send their kids to that school but rather send to the English medium schools in my town. As a result today they make 95% of the learners in my former population and the local kids now go to another Primary School a couple km further.

Edit: the vast majority of the teachers at that school are Indian and the majority are going to retire in the next 5 years.

There's a black HOD there who actively runs to the Education Department to make sure when these Indian teachers retire they get replaced by black teachers.

I have a feeling once the teaching staff become majority black the learners from the other town will go to another school

Pretty sad.

 

[RonSwanson]

Maak toe jou bene, Blade, jou p0es Juliaas steek uit.

HDVYR

 

[ponder]

So it's probably an english school in Natal where the teacher helps out in isizulu if the learners don't get it

Plenty of those where zulu is used as the medium of instruction even though it suppose to be an 'english' school, more common in rural areas

 

[RonSwanson]

Looking at the article you posted it is very reasonable compared to the "Geen plek vir Afrikaans" and OP's manufactured heading about Blade Nzimande attacking Afrikaans and the outrage that follows soon thereafter from the posters.

It is clear to me that this Afrikaans article is very different to the English one even though they are about the same thing, Blade answering a question from a Freedom Front guy in parliament.

The fact that people are free to put their own headings that are designed to influence the responses is inconsistent with N&CA posting guidelines, the response that follows are influenced by the tone that has been set, those of us who cannot read Afrikaans are left to our own devices trying to make sense of all the posters frothing at the mouth. Surely you can see that this is a problem?

I also apologise for annoying you and the others but I still insist that such articles belong in Off Topic.

As dinge so duidelik vir jou is, soos jy dit self stel, waarom dring jy dan daarop aan dat dit nie hier geplaas mag word nie, Dokter Verwoerd?

 

[Jabulani22]

People have posted afrikaans articles here before with a disclaimer that they could not find a english version which I'm ok with as a english version pops up a bit later. In general I would agree with posting english only in general but I'm not gonna cause a fuss if a article is only available in a certain language. myself and others have posted articles here before from a foreign language using google translate. It's no reason to claim rhey are of no value unless you have a predisposed bias.

It doesnt serve his agenda , so he discounts the language and not the points.

 

[Jabulani22]

zulu words =/= English words =/= Afrikaans words but some languages are more equal than others.

 

[pinball wizard]

I suppose this Blade sees the old south african flag everywhere as well. Just like his educationally deficient comrade.

 

[losta]

Well, wealth redistribution succeeded so well in South Africa, with everybody being rich, we now have to double down to language redistribution ...

Your reasoning is upside down. First everybody (but the 8% mainly white english speakers) is forced to study in a foreign colonial lingo (ENGLISH) and then maybe, just maybe we could have mother tongue education.

 

[Big Rat]

I actually agree... but not with the reasoning.
All of us here on the forum chat in English. Why? Because it is the only language that all of us understand.
You want to go to university that is afrikaans, go ahead. Then you finish studying and go into the business world... screwed. The same for xhosa, zulu, esipedi or whatever other language.
With english you can go across the whole world for business. With Afrikaans you cannot even go to all the places in South Africa. Same for the other languages.
Want to work with computers? guess what chum it is english. Want to chat to prospective clients in the US. Wait sorry, lose a billion dollar deal coz you cannot speak their language.

In school we all got taught english, you could not advance to higher grade without english. That counts for everybody. So what is the big issue for an university to teach in a single language, that everybody that passed matric is suppose to understand.

Furthermore, my two bois finished university two year ago. Brec for accounting. They struggled the first year with afrikaans teachers. They switched over to english so to better understand the terms for the corporate world.

 

[Tokolotshe]

I actually agree... but not with the reasoning.
All of us here on the forum chat in English. Why? Because it is the only language that all of us understand.
You want to go to university that is afrikaans, go ahead. Then you finish studying and go into the business world... screwed. The same for xhosa, zulu, esipedi or whatever other language.
With english you can go across the whole world for business. With Afrikaans you cannot even go to all the places in South Africa. Same for the other languages.
Want to work with computers? guess what chum it is english. Want to chat to prospective clients in the US. Wait sorry, lose a billion dollar deal coz you cannot speak their language.

In school we all got taught english, you could not advance to higher grade without english. That counts for everybody. So what is the big issue for an university to teach in a single language, that everybody that passed matric is suppose to understand.

Furthermore, my two bois finished university two year ago. Brec for accounting. They struggled the first year with afrikaans teachers. They switched over to english so to better understand the terms for the corporate world.

I have a few thousand ex co-students from two Afrikaans universities that proves you wrong. Many of them took up residence in counties abroad, some company owners, some board members, ...

Just because you are taught in Afrikaans, even advanced math, physics, organic chemistry etc, does not mean you can't find ways to effectively communicate. It may leads to some funny situations, but it works out. That is why some of my ex mates are in places like Germany and France.

Fun fact - in France you don't want to talk English. Start off in Afrikaans, then try English and you make friends. Start off in English and you get nowhere.

 

[losta]

You want to go to university that is afrikaans, go ahead. Then you finish studying and go into the business world... screwed. The same for xhosa, zulu, esipedi or whatever other language.
....

Curious how then you would explain that in ALL european countries you got mother tongue education ((only UK and Ireland got english) and they are extremely prosperous and successfull.
Whether you do your studies in czech, dutch, italian or english doesn't make a difference at all. Developping you full potential does. Not possible in a colonial lingo.

Even in SA we got the proof. Afrikaners being schooled up to tertiary in afrikaans being more successfull than english schooled saffers.

 

[BravoDrie]

You want to go to university that is afrikaans, go ahead. Then you finish studying and go into the business world... screwed. The same for xhosa, zulu, esipedi or whatever other language.

Wrong. If this was true, how can there then be successful Afrikaans business people? This is a classic misconception/falsity from English people - or Afrikaans parents raising their children English. When I left university back in the day, I could barely speak English - yet I am quite successful in the business tech world.

I have to agree with Iosta above there are far too many successful non English speaking countries/people out there for that quote to make sense.

 

[Supervan II]

All of us here on the forum chat in English. Why? Because it is the only language that all of us understand.
You want to go to university that is afrikaans, go ahead. Then you finish studying and go into the business world... screwed. The same for xhosa, zulu, esipedi or whatever other language.
With english you can go across the whole world for business. With Afrikaans you cannot even go to all the places in South Africa. Same for the other languages.
Want to work with computers? guess what chum it is english. Want to chat to prospective clients in the US. Wait sorry, lose a billion dollar deal coz you cannot speak their language.

In school we all got taught english, you could not advance to higher grade without english. That counts for everybody. So what is the big issue for an university to teach in a single language, that everybody that passed matric is suppose to understand.

Furthermore, my two bois finished university two year ago. Brec for accounting. They struggled the first year with afrikaans teachers. They switched over to english so to better understand the terms for the corporate world.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but all this means zero if you cannot understand what your teacher is trying to teach you in a foreign (English) language. Especially true for people from rural areas.

Mother tongue first, English second - only then will they actually understand what they are learning. You could probably then even raise the minimum pass rate to a more acceptable level.

 

[access]

I actually agree... but not with the reasoning.
All of us here on the forum chat in English. Why? Because it is the only language that all of us understand.
You want to go to university that is afrikaans, go ahead. Then you finish studying and go into the business world... screwed. The same for xhosa, zulu, esipedi or whatever other language.
With english you can go across the whole world for business. With Afrikaans you cannot even go to all the places in South Africa. Same for the other languages.
Want to work with computers? guess what chum it is english. Want to chat to prospective clients in the US. Wait sorry, lose a billion dollar deal coz you cannot speak their language.

In school we all got taught english, you could not advance to higher grade without english. That counts for everybody. So what is the big issue for an university to teach in a single language, that everybody that passed matric is suppose to understand.

Furthermore, my two bois finished university two year ago. Brec for accounting. They struggled the first year with afrikaans teachers. They switched over to english so to better understand the terms for the corporate world.

no you are wrong, the rest of the non english world is proof