General anti-Trump sentiment from SA'ns

rambo919

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I think that philosophers, scientists, engineers et al already think with their own thoughts, as we have new ideas, advances and technologies popping up all the time.
Most of those are refinements or rehashes, in computers for example most "new" technology is simply the next cycle of a repeating process. Software in general is in a rut that's only becoming worse. More power does not always equal better.
 

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Most of those are refinements or rehashes, in computers for example most "new" technology is simply the next cycle of a repeating process. Software in general is in a rut that's only becoming worse. More power does not always equal better.
How you think software is in a rut is beyond me. Technology is evolving so quickly we cannot roll it out quickly enough. I know this because I work on a massive core network. If you think that the majority of people cannot come to that conclusion on their own (especially ones smart enough to be in STEM or philosophy fields), then you are overvaluing your own ability.
 

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And who funds those institutions? Who has veto power? To paraqoute a influential dead guy of the left "it does not matter who votes, what matters is who counts the votes"
That's like asking who funds the church. Funds have a variety of sources, not every institution is necessarily fund sensitive in that sense. For example, a good majority of political publications don't make money and are funded by wealthy people who have nothing better to do but to throw their money away promoting the ideas they believe in.

Because he is either controlled opposition or an knife in the eye of the left, they have NEVER taken effective opposition well.
And yet Trump appears to be effective opposition. What makes him so?

No they are getting eaten up because they relied on the thoughts of dead men and relaxed into positions of automation. The bigger structures are intellectually impotent and have a long history of ostracizing any critics of the status quo. The rot has set in and the structures are collapsing. There are a few holdouts that don't bow to mammon but they are also in decline because of social and mounting legal preassure.
Hate to break it to you, but language is but the thoughts of dead men.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/life-bilingual/201111/change-language-change-personality

Your tirade against the thoughts of dead men is puerile and naive.

It's easier to just feel right than actually doing the work and being right, especially when peer preassure comes into play.
Or especially when you've allowed yourself to believe you're blazing some sort of trail.
 

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How you think software is in a rut is beyond me. Technology is evolving so quickly we cannot roll it out quickly enough. I know this because I work on a massive core network. If you think that the majority of people cannot come to that conclusion on their own (especially ones smart enough to be in STEM or philosophy fields), then you are overvaluing your own ability.
Even the smartest people can be the biggest idiots, it's the human condition. Often the smarter you think yourself the bigger the mistakes you make, especially when you venture out of you field of specialization, especially if you are extremely specialized.

I should perhaps say that it's more commercial level software that I'm referring to, most of the "innovations" tend to be purely cosmetic.
 

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That's like asking who funds the church. Funds have a variety of sources, not every institution is necessarily fund sensitive in that sense. For example, a good majority of political publications don't make money and are funded by wealthy people who have nothing better to do but to throw their money away promoting the ideas they believe in.
Like I said, mammon.

And yet Trump appears to be effective opposition. What makes him so?
On one hand there is "appears", this might be controlled for all anyone knows.
On the other hand most of the power of the left lies in the populace unquestioningly following orders, as soon as someone gives the orders the finger and survives brains go into meltdown.

Hate to break it to you, but language is but the thoughts of dead men.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/life-bilingual/201111/change-language-change-personality

Your tirade against the thoughts of dead men is puerile and naive.


Or especially when you've allowed yourself to believe you're blazing some sort of trail.
You are moving goalposts and setting up a strawman. I have no delusions of grandeur nor am I bragging, no trail is getting blazed. It's far more likely that I will be swallowed up and spit out at some point because of my relative weakness compared to the status quo.
 

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Even the smartest people can be the biggest idiots, it's the human condition. Often the smarter you think yourself the bigger the mistakes you make, especially when you venture out of you field of specialization, especially if you are extremely specialized.

I should perhaps say that it's more commercial level software that I'm referring to, most of the "innovations" tend to be purely cosmetic.
Yes - cognitive and confirmation biases are a real thing. Most things don't happen in isolation either. Peer review tends to fix this.

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You are moving goalposts and setting up a strawman. I have no delusions of grandeur nor am I bragging, no trail is getting blazed. It's far more likely that I will be swallowed up and spit out at some point because of my relative weakness compared to the status quo.
Your whole hypothesis is a straw man. And yes, you are bragging or tooting your own horn. Maybe you should have a good look around here. There are some pretty smart people that are able to think critically (some more than others, though). Maybe instead of trying to tell us how insightful you are, show us how you can see the BS and cut through the rhetoric. You are in an American politics thread, trying to convince us you can cut through BS even when you don't seem to know much about American politics except very high level notes.
 

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Like I said, mammon.
The far left doesn't worship mammon, dude. In fact they hate mammon.

On one hand there is "appears", this might be controlled for all anyone knows.
On the other hand most of the power of the left lies in the populace unquestioningly following orders, as soon as someone gives the orders the finger and survives brains go into meltdown.
The controlled opposition is supposed to lose, not win. And the controlled opposition appears to be doing a remarkable job of disarming the leftist ideological powerbase.


You are moving goalposts and setting up a strawman. I have no delusions of grandeur nor am I bragging, no trail is getting blazed. It's far more likely that I will be swallowed up and spit out at some point because of my relative weakness compared to the status quo.
I am not moving the goalposts, I am reducing your position to absurdity.

Consider how you said that you see forms and patterns.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_forms

That's you repeating the words of some dead guy.

Anyway, it's rather curious why you would bemoan the status quo while at the same time acknowleging that ignoring it is likely to cause one to come to ruin.
 

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Yes - cognitive and confirmation biases are a real thing. Most things don't happen in isolation either. Peer review tends to fix this.
Peer review is also vulnerable to it, this has been demonstrated many times.

Your whole hypothesis is a straw man. And yes, you are bragging or tooting your own horn. Maybe you should have a good look around here. There are some pretty smart people that are able to think critically (some more than others, though). Maybe instead of trying to tell us how insightful you are, show us how you can see the BS and cut through the rhetoric. You are in an American politics thread, trying to convince us you can cut through BS even when you don't seem to know much about American politics except very high level notes.
You seem heavily emotionally invested in this. I am simply being as honest as possible, I never asked for any kind of personal acknowledgement.
 

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Peer review is also vulnerable to it, this has been demonstrated many times.

You seem heavily emotionally invested in this. I am simply being as honest as possible, I never asked for any kind of personal acknowledgement.
I am not heavily invested in this. You just seem to be overvaluing your views and think they are somehow unique.
 

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Sigh. Interesting how a thread about trump seems to have become solely about me, have fun chasing shadows and fighting strawmen. I really don't care half as much about this thread as you two.
 

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Sigh. Interesting how a thread about trump seems to have become solely about me, have fun chasing shadows and fighting strawmen. I really don't care half as much about this thread as you two.
You made it about you. :ROFL:

And, you are the one that took it off topic.
 

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Because people are stupid and they get their news from Facebook. It is easy to make fun of Trump so very few people are intelligent to go against the herd and think for themselves.

And then media types just tend to be more liberal and left leaning.
Lets be honest, if you work in media in SA you dont have a choice. You have to be left.
 

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Why is the general sentiment for Trump so negative in SA?
Because just like bible-bashing it is considered cool to be anti-trump. People forget but the lefts response to bush was largely the same.
I recall Stephen Grootes on SAFM saying with regards to leadership: "you know who a divisive leader is - Donald Trump" - uhh, hello? - how about Mr Malema? there is obvious divisiveness in what he represents. It's literally black and white.
He is completely unapologetic in his often anti-liberal views, that is what makes him divisive. Democrats what spineless idealist for leaders, not an opinionated, unapologetic idealist.
The local media here tends to be mostly anti-trump and therefore sides with the mass media views in the US, associating itself with a left-leaning and pro-democratic rhetoric. What's more is that DStv only has CNN, BBC and Sky which tend to lean left and so perhaps one could argue that we get a one-sided view down here in ZA.
I would give you CNN but the Bib often has torey news on and they seem to be for the large part impartial, cannot say anything about sky though. The UK is just simply a more liberal place, although they have a conservative party that is probably still pretty left if you compare it to American conservatism.
What I perceive is that there is a propaganda agenda against the right, not allowing a smidgen of positive news in attempt to nullify them altogether. The right in SA is associated with the NP and Apratheid and can never be "redeemed" or prove itself relevant for a failing country.
I guess the DA could function as our countries conservative party but still they are more centrist to me and everything else being socialist/communist. so I guess in our system anything right of Lennon must be the conservatives.

I think that has just simply to do with the communist ideals that are so ingrained in the black populace
 
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