Give parents the choice - R12,000 school voucher system in South Africa

krycor

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12k.. lmao.

Last time I checked it cost a lot more than that. A real solution to improve social mobility while also fixing the issue with homogenous communities is to adopt a boarding school system for under privileged in privileged areas.

But that’s me solving the greater issue which most don’t actually want to.
 

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12k.. lmao.

Last time I checked it cost a lot more than that. A real solution to improve social mobility while also fixing the issue with homogenous communities is to adopt a boarding school system for under privileged in privileged areas.

But that’s me solving the greater issue which most don’t actually want to.
If i have to guess, someone said

The average class has 30 kids in
The average teacher earns ( going to guess) R24 000
So those vouchers will pay the teacher’s salaries for the year With a bonus?. The rest can be used for other things?
 
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Let me decolonise this for you guys:

1) poor family sells R12000 school card for R1000 because they need food and zamaleke
2) card "dealers" sell cards to people who are not poor for R2500
3) families in Sandton get schooling for R10000 per year and so the rich get richer

Yay, Africa!
 

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Hopefully they don't send their kids to study in China with all that money.


The family of Alfa Mpetsheni, a SA student based in China who went “missing” more than a month ago, has been informed that he is alive.

This is according to Mpetsheni’s father, Thulani, who said the department of international relations and corporation (Dirco), had confirmed to him that he’s alive. The information came from the SA consulate general in Shanghai.

It has emerged that he had been detained by the Shanghai Public Security Bureau.

“We are told that the consulate spoke to him, but he was not allowed to say on what charges he was detained on ...,” his father told SowetanLIVE's sister publication TimesLIVE.

The 25-year-old is a BCom student at Zhejiang Gongshang University in Hangzhou. His family was alerted to his disappearance by friends. He was supposed to have gone with them on a holiday to Bangkok, Thailand.
 
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Hopefully they don't send their kids to study in China with all that money.


The family of Alfa Mpetsheni, a SA student based in China who went “missing” more than a month ago, has been informed that he is alive.

This is according to Mpetsheni’s father, Thulani, who said the department of international relations and corporation (Dirco), had confirmed to him that he’s alive. The information came from the SA consulate general in Shanghai.

It has emerged that he had been detained by the Shanghai Public Security Bureau.

“We are told that the consulate spoke to him, but he was not allowed to say on what charges he was detained on ...,” his father told SowetanLIVE's sister publication TimesLIVE.

The 25-year-old is a BCom student at Zhejiang Gongshang University in Hangzhou. His family was alerted to his disappearance by friends. He was supposed to have gone with them on a holiday to Bangkok, Thailand.
I don't think this qualifies for a R12,000 voucher :p

Wrong thread?
 

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This is a good way for vouchers to be sold, and assumes that all children's futures are considered precious,
The current state tells you they are not.
 
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Yes, let's throw good money at the problem like we do with SAA, Eskom, SABC, etc.
What we need are qualified, competent teachers who care about the education of the students.
The type of teachers who prepare in the evening before classes, mark exam papers in their own time in evenings, actually pitch up on time for classes instead of faking illness on regular basis. You know ... people with work ethic!

Yes, teachers are underpaid in general and that's why the good ones mostly work in the private sector but you can increase the salaries of all teachers by 10 fold and still end up with the same quality of education if there is no change in work ethic and no enforcement of salary increases based on performance.
Our country rewards the lazy and corrupt.
 
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Won't work. You can't funnel the money from where it's already being spent. It essentially becomes just another grant. Rather fix our education system, build more schools and make education free like promised.
This does attempt to fix it through a market perspective. Handing the parents a R12000 school voucher enables some price discovery and makes the parents realize just how much money the useless schools waste. It creates a little bit more parent involvement, when we need a lot more parent involvement.
 

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12k.. lmao.

Last time I checked it cost a lot more than that.
It opens the door for the private sector to innovate. Which means costs can go down, a lot. Keyna for example is making great progress with low cost private schools.
https://mg.co.za/article/2018-02-06-nairobis-poorer-parents-are-choosing-private-over-free-primary-schools/


Last time I checked it cost a lot more than that. A real solution to improve social mobility while also fixing the issue with homogenous communities is to adopt a boarding school system for under privileged in privileged areas.
Boarding schools are literally the most expensive form of education, and there is the small fact that parents like to be with their children.
 

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If it's a voucher that gets physically handed out to parents and guardians, then it's open for abuse.
Soft bigotry of low expectations there. Do you think that poor people won't spend it responsibly? I would say the vast majority would spend it responsibly as it is effectively their money.
Where the corruption happens with schools is the school governing body, where the council members have access to other people's money. That is where a lot of corruption happens. A voucher gives parents the choice to determine how their children are educated without giving them unfettered access to other people's money as school governing bodies won't really be needed anymore.

You know despite there being evidence that people really do care about educating their children in this country. Education is number 3 on the list of priorities for South Africans.
https://irr.org.za/reports/occasional-reports/files/reasons-for-hope-report-final.pdf

The great thing about a policy like this is that you can do a partial implementation of it. For example, you could start with all the schools in the Cape Town Metro area. Do that, see how it runs for 15 years and look at the results.
 

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Let me decolonise this for you guys:

1) poor family sells R12000 school card for R1000 because they need food and zamaleke
2) card "dealers" sell cards to people who are not poor for R2500
3) families in Sandton get schooling for R10000 per year and so the rich get richer

Yay, Africa!
There isn't any evidence of that though.

Even with a raw cash grant, they spend it on things that their children need.
Many of the participants reported that they spend the grant mainly on meeting their children's educational or school needs. This is in line with the finding of the Child Support Grant Evaluation Report by the Department of Social Development, South African Social Security Agency & UNICEF (2011), which points to the fact that school-related expenses were frequently mentioned by CSG recipients as one of the major uses of the grant. Utilising the grant, especially on school-related items, was found to have a positive impact on the children's schooling (Lund, 2011). When asked if children attend school, two of the participants replied as follows:

"They [referring to children] all attend school very well."
"The child attends school regularly and she is in Grade 1."
Potts (2012) also found a positive correlation between grant receipts and enrolment in school amongst the poorest families. The grant is also used to buy school uniforms for children. One of the participant stated that "I buy school uniform for the child, make sure the child has pocket money to school." Some of the participants pointed out that it was possible for their children to attend day care centres because of the CSG. For example, one participant proudly stated that her child attends crèche. When the participant was asked whether there was any difference in her life after receiving the CSG, she replied as follows: "Yes I can afford to take my child to crèche like other children and she gets stimulated by crèche activitie." This confirms the observation by the Department of Social Development, South African Social Security Agency & UNICEF (2011) that early childhood development (ECD) services are highly valued by parents and caregivers in South Africa. This certainly shows that the CSG plays a vital role in enabling children from poor households to access ECD services. These ECD services prepare children for primary school and also promote interaction among children, which enables them to acquire social skills (Department of Social Development, South African Social Security Agency & UNICEF, 2011). Williams (2007) also found that the CSG is used to pay for early childhood development (ECD) services and pocket money for children who are the recipients of the CSG.
http://www.scielo.org.za/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0037-80542017000300006

And it doesn't even have to be a physical voucher. All it can effectively be, is a form that you fill in that instructs the government payment system to direct fees to a certain schools bank account. Each payment explicitly is linked to one child. You fill out a form, hand it to the school, the school registers the payment with the government and the school then gets the money every month.
Then in order to qualify to receive these "vouchers" a school has to have audited financial statements that match up every voucher payment they receive with a child that is actually enrolled in a school. If the school doesn't receive a clean audit , they are not allowed to get voucher payments.

That makes it very difficult for corruption to take place.
 

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We need more good teachers. Why are people are still fighting to put kids into ‘good’ schools? Good teachers.
All the top performing schools would be nothing without good teachers and some form of discipline
And more teachers. Those schools would still be shoddy if they had good teachers, but 50 children per class.

Good schools lack the capacity to enroll unlimited numbers of children, so this won't make the less good schools go out if business. I don't think that a voucher system will improve anything.
I can also see more private schools popping up simply as a means to siphon money from the system.

Hermann Pretorious points out that the government system to determine that children will be placed (= told which school they must attend) is clearly not working when so many, many parents are not managing to get their children enrolled in any school at all.
That's due to too few schools. The better schools strictly control their numbers, because that is how they manage to provide an adequate education. They're going to already be full.

Has anyone found a break-down of how Hermann Pretorious proposes that the R12'000 vouchers may be spent? As a contributuion towards school-fees only? What about additional costs such as longer transport routes to the area in which the better school is? For someone with very low income, such transport costs could be prohibitive in themselves. Which income bracket is the target group for these vouchers?
Longer travel time is also likely to have a negative impact on the child's sleep. The solution is to have good schools everywhere.
 

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Yes, teachers are underpaid in general and that's why the good ones mostly work in the private sector but you can increase the salaries of all teachers by 10 fold and still end up with the same quality of education if there is no change in work ethic and no enforcement of salary increases based on performance.
The issue is measuring teacher performance. It's easy to weed out the real waste of time teachers, the ones that either know nothing about their subject or regularly fail to turn up for work. But from there it gets trickier.
 
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Why glorify whether it gets abused or squandered? Those who want to effectively use it for the benefit of their children's education will do so, as will the schools who will uplift themselves with the vouchers parents/guardians spend at their schools.

The same needs to be done by issuing healthcare vouchers as well. Give holders some control where they go spend their voucher and the public healthcare system will also uplift itself in order to attract voucher-holding PAXs.
 

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If i have to guess, someone said

The average class has 30 kids in
The average teacher earns ( going to guess) R24 000
So those vouchers will pay the teacher’s salaries for the year With a bonus?. The rest can be used for other things?
12k would cover just over half my one kids school fees ( Public SENS school ). The schools allow remissions but the government doesn't pay the school the remissions like they supposed to ,so it just gets harder and harder for the schools to run.
 

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Schools unable to attract or retain pupils will have to close. This will ensure that schools are run in the interests of pupils, rather than in the interests of teachers.
A lot of schools will be closing then.
Deployed cardes only know how to compete by who can loot the best and it doesn't even matter if you get caught.
(quite a few examples of communities angry over outsiders being appointed)

Nice concept but proper funding of schools with a proper standards body with enforcement will go a lot further and jail time for people stealing funds from the education.
 
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