Global Warming - running out of time to prevent ECONOMIC disaster

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Finally, the proof is leaking out.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/17/iq-test-which-of-these-is-not-upside-down/

Of particular interest for me is this:

As WUWT and Climate Audit readers know, Mann made some blatantly obvious mistakes in his use of proxy data in Mann et al 2008, where he claims to be able to make a present day “hockey stick” of climate without the use of Bristlecone Pines that he used in his flawed 1998 study which produced the original Hockey Stick. Mann inverted data, upside down if you will, notably the Tiljander sediment as pointed out by Steve McIntyre.

Steve writes:
Mann didn’t just use one Tiljander series upside down; he used all four of them upside down, a point illustrated in the graphic below from a Japanese language article that rather appealed to me.

This isn’t an opinion. McIntyre personally verified this data inversion with the researcher, Tiljander, who collected the original proxy data. Yet Mann still denies it, probably because using the data right side up doesn’t produce the desired results.

Thanks to Steve and Anthony, we may have hope.

End cap-&-trade and all its variants now; save civilization.
 

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Emissions trading is surely a whole different debate to whether or not CO2 is anthropogenic, and it only represents one (and IMO the least effective) carbon mitigation strategy.
 

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I found a very nice statement while reading up on Not Evil Just Wrong that summarises very nicely a key wrong assumption made by anti-environmentalists - the notion that industry can only survive if it's dirty:

The trailer notes the usual claim made by Gore opponents that industry cannot exist if it is clean, that industry requires that we poison the planet. Were that true, we’d have a need to halt industry now, lest we become like the yeast in the beer vat, or the champagne bottle, manufacturing alcohol until the alcohol kills the yeast. Our experience with Rivers and Harbors Act of 1899, the Clean Air Acts and the Clean Water Act is that cleaning the environment produces economic growth, not the other way around. A city choked in pollution dies. Los Angeles didn’t suffer when the air got cleaner. Pittsburgh’s clean air became a way to attract new industries to the city, before the steel industry there collapsed. Cleaning Lake Erie didn’t hurt industry. The claim made by the film is fatuous, alarmist, and morally corrupt.

When the human health, human welfare, and environmental effects which could be expressed in dollar terms were added up for the entire 20-year period, the total benefits of Clean Air Act programs were estimated to range from about $6 trillion to about $50 trillion, with a mean estimate of about $22 trillion. These estimated benefits represent the estimated value Americans place on avoiding the dire air quality conditions and dramatic increases in illness and premature death which would have prevailed without the 1970 and 1977 Clean Air Act and its associated state and local programs. By comparison, the actual costs of achieving the pollution reductions observed over the 20 year period were $523 billion, a small fraction of the estimated monetary benefits

Read the rest here.
 

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The volume of noxious hot gasses escaping from Julius Malema's mouth has potential to create a massive economic meltdown.
 

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That all you got BWA? Global cooling was never a widely accepted theory in the '70s, and the other story is about temperatures at ONE station.

Just out of interest, do you ever actually read any of the articles I post? Coz you never seem to comment on them, you just come along here every month or so and link a little nugget from the denial-o-sphere.
 

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Man, that global warming is getting out of hand. I mean, cancelling cruises for being too hot?

http://translate.google.no/translat...o/reise/artikkel.php?artid=592994&sl=no&tl=en

One I am sure w1zard will like, more people dying:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/06/winter-kills-excess-deaths-in-the-winter-months/

and here with the price of electricity and gas increases due to carbon/global warming taxes:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/...-british-retirees-burning-books-to-stay-warm/

The "usual suspects" must be celebrating each death. I mean, how can you not when that evil, vile and dithspikable (extra spit added) species is being culled by none other than mother nature / gaia herself!
 

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Big words:
The mini ice age starts here

So, could the AGW croud give us a few predictions from AGW theory and how they differ from natural climate changes? We have the history, AGW tells us we have an impact and are going to continue to have an impact, so let's hear it, how bad do you guys think it is going to be... based on the IPCC views...
 

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Didn't know where to post this, so I'll just put it in here:

Inhofe: I Am The Planet's #1 Worst Enemy

Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-OK) just can't get any respect. Nearly a month ago, he went to the climate change conference in Copenhagen to explain that global warming was a "hoax" conceived by the United Nations and spread by the "Hollywood elite." But the European press would have none of it. A German reporter even told the the cowboy boot-wearing senator that he was "ridiculous." Inhofe suffered his latest indignity at the hands of Rolling Stone, which awarded him the 7th spot on its list of the "planet's worst enemies."

Inhofe took this as a slight. "I should have been number one," he told KFAQ radio in Tulsa, "I guess [Warren] Buffet has a lot more money so he went first."

Inhofe also aired his grievances in an interview with the Tulsa World. "My first response was I should have been number 1, not number 7," he said. "I am serious about that. I have spent now literally years on this thing, and it has been a long, involved thing.''
 

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Is Carbon Trading profitable? I hear people talking about it and how it may cause the next global depression - but has anyone actually made any real money from it or invested in these CCT funds?
 
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