Global Warming - running out of time to prevent ECONOMIC disaster

[Alan]

But that is not going to happen because somewhere along the way James Cameron, a great film maker, has moved from King of the World to being King of the Hypocrites.

Plenty of competition for that mantle in Hollywood.

 

[Arthur]

Anyone here still remember Global Warming aka Climate Change? We're more than midway through the Northern summer and AGW stories have all but disappeared. Yikes! Why are we ignoring the Greatest Crisis Ever To Face The Planet?

Some (Northern Hemisphere) Summer Quotes this June:

As the climate-change theory crumbles, expect its supporters to be more vocal in its defence, more insistent that the science is ironclad. Like the cultish followers of any faddish religion when it nears the end of its fashionableness, they will proclaim their views even more vociferously and denounce more forcefully all those who disagree. But increasingly, their warnings of impending doom and their character attacks on their opponents will be performed before empty houses, as in Rio.—Lorne Gunter, Toronto Sun.

Politicians, today, have predictably “walked away” from the issue of global warming. In retrospect we have to ask why this mass illusion, the transition to “a new ecological society” imploded and fell off the teleprompters, off the front pages, and out of the seemingly endless TV special reports on threatened polar bears and collapsing ice cliffs. How could this all disappear so fast?—Andrew McKillop, Global Warming Policy Foundation.

The paper by Schneider et al 2012 has the clever idea of looking at the temperatures of lakes and reservoirs around the world. They provide data for 169 of the largest inland water bodies world- wide using three satellite-borne instruments. Together they provide daily to near-daily data from 1981 through to the present, allowing them to calculate 25-year trends of nighttime summertime/dry-season surface temperature. My preliminary calculations suggest that there is no statistically significant trend post-1997. Hence an alternate description of their findings is that the world’s large bodies of water show the well known standstill of the past decade or so seen in global temperatures.—David Whitehouse, Global Lakes Show Temperature Standstill.

 

[Nick333]

Oh. Was the whole global devastation thing supposed to be happening this year?

 

[Praeses]

Oh. Was the whole global devastation thing supposed to be happening this year?

Only on Dec 12 2012 I think

 

[grok]

Global warming .. MyBB's new christian vs atheism debate.

 

[w1z4rd]

Global warming .. MyBB's new christian vs atheism debate.

Its more a "creationist vs evolution" debate. As per usual, the normal people who deny science are at it again

 

[Unhappy438]

Fsck this forum has YEC's and GW denialists -facepalm-

 

[w1z4rd]

Fsck this forum has YEC's and GW denialists -facepalm-

Its not a forum thing. Half the world has this sickness. Science deniers are everywhere.

 

[Unhappy438]

Its not a forum thing. Half the world has this sickness. Science deniers are everywhere.

I suppose you are right, would think they have an appreciation for Science whilst using the internet though.

 

[w1z4rd]

I suppose you are right, would think they have an appreciation for Science whilst using the internet though.

Theyre not smart enough to understand the irony of that.

 

[Praeses]

Theyre not smart enough to understand the irony of that.

If they were, we wouldn't be posting in this thread

 

[Arthur]

Fsck this forum has YEC's and GW denialists -facepalm-

Don't be put off by the loons. It's the science behind AGW that's agenda-laden. The political and other agendas of AGWers are closing their minds to the science -- exactly like religious fundamentalism closes the minds of theist YECers, anti-evolutionists, etc. Science and reason are in eclipse, which is why we have all the chicken-little scare stories about climate-induced doom. That's why they start threads like the one we're currently in - trying to get people to repent from carbon. It's pure bunkum, and no matter what he science says, AGWers continue to push their fundamentalism with religious zeal. So odd they can't see that.

 

[w1z4rd]

If they were, we wouldn't be posting in this thread

Haha... speaking of which. Anyone wanna address arthurs "agenda" conspiracy theory? haha

 

[Unhappy438]

Don't be put off by the loons. It's the science behind AGW that's agenda-laden. The political and other agendas of AGWers are closing their minds to the science -- exactly like religious fundamentalism closes the minds of theist YECers, anti-evolutionists, etc. Science and reason are in eclipse, which is why we have all the chicken-little scare stories about climate-induced doom. That's why they start threads like the one we're currently in - trying to get people to repent from carbon. It's pure bunkum, and no matter what he science says, AGWers continue to push their fundamentalism with religious zeal. So odd they can't see that.

Tinfoil hat much..

 

[Techne]

5 years ago:
Arctic Sea Ice Gone in Summer Within Five Years?

Today:

Some more predictions here:
http://anhonestclimatedebate.wordpress.com/predictions/

Check at the temperatures for yourself here:
E.g.

Look at the data, make up your own mind, don't fall for the "denialist" vs "alarmist" or "science-denier" vs "science-worshipper" claptrap.

 

[Arthur]

Haha... speaking of which. Anyone wanna address arthurs "agenda" conspiracy theory? haha

And your little picture is meant to be an example of, er, what exactly? ... dispassionate fact? Little words like "obscene" profits are a giveaway. No value judgment here, eh? Do you think their profits are obscene? I don't.

The incidental by-the-way value-judgment reveals the whole agenda. Amazing you can't see it.

 

[w1z4rd]

You have a choice. Listen to a random (previouslly banned) forumite who is well known for perverting science or listen to the real scientists?

The main conclusions of the IPCC on global warming were the following:
The global average surface temperature has risen 0.6 ± 0.2 °C since the late 19th century, and 0.17 °C per decade in the last 30 years.[6]
"There is new and stronger evidence that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities", in particular emissions of the greenhouse gases carbon dioxide and methane.[7]
If greenhouse gas emissions continue the warming will also continue, with temperatures projected to increase by 1.4 °C to 5.8 °C between 1990 and 2100. Accompanying this temperature increase will be increases in some types of extreme weather and a projected sea level rise.[8] On balance the impacts of global warming will be significantly negative, especially for larger values of warming.[9]

No scientific body of national or international standing has maintained a dissenting opinion; the last was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, which in 2007 updated its 1999 statement rejecting the likelihood of human influence on recent climate with its current non-committal position.[10][11] Some other organizations, primarily those focusing on geology, also hold non-committal positions. There are also groups of individuals outside national or international organizations that have expressed their dissenting opinions and counterarguments in venues such as public petitions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

Choice is yours, the evidence is thorough

 

[Techne]

You have a choice. Listen to a random (previouslly banned) forumite who is well known for perverting science or listen to the real scientists?

I don't know why you feel the need to resort to logical fallacies? Does it make you feel better?
Ad hominem, argumentum ad populum, argument from authority and genetic fallacies... read up on them. Not to mention misrepresenting or lying about other people.

 

[Arthur]

Yes, AGWers just LOVE forecasts. Forecast, schmorecast. Always the future. Always Might, Could, Maybe, Possibly ... spoken as if they're facts. They're not. They're projections. Makes one wonder if these people even grasp the basic distinction between facts and forecasts. And in every single case past forecasts of climate doom have turned out to be radically wrong. Pretty pathetic record, which anyone who truly loves science (as I do) will tell you is good warrant for perhaps reconsidering the "iron-clad certainties". Not that anyone expects AGWers to be swayed by facts - their agenda always trumps reality, as the record clearly indicates.

 

[w1z4rd]