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Google claims that its new Equiano subsea cable will increase South Africa's internet speed three-fold
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DA-LION-619
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It’s not a conspiracy lol.
Your transit isn’t handled by Seacom.
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Would it be better ot worse, if it was handled by Seacom?
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Router: lg-01-dur.za
Command: ping ip 172.107.96.75
Sending 5, 100-byte ICMP Echos to 172.107.96.75, timeout is 2 seconds: !!!!! Success rate is 100 percent (5/5), round-trip min/avg/max = 164/164/168 ms
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Well done, you managed to get a reading from Seacom PoP to Seacom PoP which means optimal routing.
No one said it was, just you.
So I used that tool to ping from their London PoP to my 2nd hop which is at the Teraco building <2ms away.
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PING 102.67.179.3 (102.67.179.3) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 102.67.179.3: icmp_seq=1 ttl=57 time=182 ms
64 bytes from 102.67.179.3: icmp_seq=2 ttl=57 time=182 ms
64 bytes from 102.67.179.3: icmp_seq=3 ttl=57 time=182 ms
64 bytes from 102.67.179.3: icmp_seq=4 ttl=57 time=182 msOh look. It's basically the same ping (184ms) I'm getting.
Going up Seacom changes nothing. It's local routing, as @Geoff.D and I are discussing.
Like I said, local routing is garbage. If routing was as preferential and optimal as Seacom to Seacom PoP then I'd be getting 164ms too. But no one does because garbage local routing.
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It would basically be no different. @DA-LION-619 has just posted an intra-Seacom trace, which obviously means optimal routing.
Seacom's London PoP get's the same ~184ms to me, as I get to it on whatever cable I'm on.
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No I posted a ping test to https://lg.lon.psychz.net/
Not all networks peer, neither does everything go over the internet.
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Not possible with the current state of technology. Light travels at 3 x 10 E 8 metres/second, its not changing, nor has it changed. Imagine if it did, we'd be able to probably succeed at time travel
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And a company in Stellenbosch, Western Cape is a world leader in undersea optic fibre tapping. Their client list include the usual suspects, the NSA, GCHQ, etc..
Actually, it’s a function of the medium it is passing through. Through glass it is roughly 2/3rds the speed as through a vacuum. This is why there is active research in “hollow core fiber” technologies that would significantly reduce latency.
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I started thinking of uncapped when a Gig was R15. Not that the 384Kbps line could eat that much.. Now there 100Mbps fiber. If you told me this is the Kind of internet speeds I would have laughed at you.
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Hurricane Electric
core1.cpt1.he.net> traceroute 172.107.96.75 source 216.218.252.112 | 149.134ms
core1.jnb1.he.net> traceroute 172.107.96.75 source 216.218.252.236 | 157ms
core1.dur1.he.net> traceroute 172.107.96.75 source 216.218.252.103 | 164.457ms
Web Squad
[capetown.lg.as328137.net] trace to 172.107.96.75 | 144ms
[durban.lg.as328137.net] trace to 172.107.96.75 | 202.5ms
[joburg.lg.as328137.net] trace to 172.107.96.75 | 194.8ms
Vodacom
ZAF West Coast Cape Town [AS 36994] | 140ms
ZAF Central Midrand [AS 36994] | 158ms
No one? My trace routes must be a hoax.
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I remember dial-up, back in the day when it was unlimited time for a single call, although that didn't often last long as parents or other household humans would often interrupt my bbs activities.
I did get to go to UCT labs every now and then to visit friends with access, and marvel at the amazing speeds, as we'd get them to download stuff, and copy off their network.
uucp and newsgroups
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Sweet PoP-to-Pop traces again. It's a good thing we're talking about intra-ZA consumer routing and peering though.
Sweet Durban ping on Web Squad. What's going on there.
Vodacom users don't get even close to that real world. Interesting.
Explain to me why consumer grade is not getting this ping?
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*scrambled screeching noises*I remember dial-up, back in the day when it was unlimited time for a single call, although that didn't often last long as parents or other household humans would often interrupt my bbs activities.
I did get to go to UCT labs every now and then to visit friends with access, and marvel at the amazing speeds, as we'd get them to download stuff, and copy off their network.
uucp and newsgroups
Not gonna lie, kinda liked it.
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@DA-LION-619 There's at least some light at the end of the tunnel. My route to London via CogentCo is pretty good it seems.
Now this has confused me.
~160ms to London is possible on my connection, yet still not in general reality.
It's possible but not the norm.
The funny part is that Seacom LG Mtunzini (close to the Seacom cable break) to Cogent London is 188ms.
Well that blows the "lol it's because you're not on Seacom" comment away...again.
Again, this is down to garbage routing as per my point.
These low pings are possible, yet not accessible to normal people as a whole.
160ms to London should be the norm we (in Durban) should all expect and yet...
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Target Name: gi0-0-1-15.7.nr12.b025687-0.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com
IP: 130.117.254.57
Date/Time: 2021/10/09 06:43:37 - 2021/10/09 06:53:37
Hop Sent PL% Min Max Avg Host Name / [IP]
1 2 0 0.40 0.43 0.42 192.168.1.1 [192.168.1.1]
2 2 100 0 0 0 [-]
3 2 0 1.41 1.59 1.50 ethernet8-100.terdbn-igw1.net.echosp.link [102.67.179.3]
4 2 0 1.90 2.54 2.22 100.127.4.210 [100.127.4.210]
5 2 0 1.88 1.90 1.89 102.67.179.62 [102.67.179.62]
6 2 0 3.39 3.43 3.41 ntrce-os-cer-1-wan.osnet.co.za [196.25.134.29]
7 2 0 161.69 162.19 161.94 10.189.30.2 [10.189.30.2]
8 2 0 163.17 163.20 163.18 be5956.rcr21.b023101-0.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com [149.11.248.209]
9 2 0 164.67 165.62 165.14 be2350.ccr42.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.51.137]
10 2 0 163.12 163.51 163.31 te0-0-2-2.agr11.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.39.22]
11 2 0 163.67 163.89 163.78 gi0-0-1-15.7.nr12.b025687-0.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.254.57]Now this has confused me.
~160ms to London is possible on my connection, yet still not in general reality.
It's possible but not the norm.
The funny part is that Seacom LG Mtunzini (close to the Seacom cable break) to Cogent London is 188ms.
Well that blows the "lol it's because you're not on Seacom" comment away...again.
Again, this is down to garbage routing as per my point.
These low pings are possible, yet not accessible to normal people as a whole.
160ms to London should be the norm we (in Durban) should all expect and yet...
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DA-LION-619
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It was those with a network looking glass.
Similar to how you have a FON but you pay your ISP and they sort things out behind the scenes just on a different scale, your traffic gets to the exchange then decisions have to be made.
I'm not saying ISPs aren't blameless, some can be useless like RSAWEB.
Others can be really good like CoolIdeas, but do you pay to get your international traffic to the UK or just peer with AWS locally and let them handle the transit?
Not really, look at your trace, it's via SAIX.@DA-LION-619 There's at least some light at the end of the tunnel. My route to London via CogentCo is pretty good it seems.
Now this has confused me.
~160ms to London is possible on my connection, yet still not in general reality.
It's possible but not the norm.
The funny part is that Seacom LG Mtunzini (close to the Seacom cable break) to Cogent London is 188ms.
Well that blows the "lol it's because you're not on Seacom" comment away...again.
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Not all networks peer, like Cogent and Hurricane Electric also that the path taken for a ping request doesn't mean that's the same path for the reply.
Then there's the cloud providers with their private networks, not forgetting Orange's ACE network.
Like @ToxicBunny mentioned, latency doesn't tell the whole story and is application dependent.
Do you want lower latency and more packet loss?
I personally use Cloudflare's WARP VPN as they have nodes in all the Teraco DCs, of which Durban is the smallest.
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Ex St Helena Independent .. On Tuesday noon time the cable ship tasked with laying the Equiano cable surprisingly aborted its mission and ferried to Walvis Bay shortly before entering the South African Exclusive Economic Zone. ... While weather conditions are a plausible explanation for the abortion it suspiciously happened just 4 nautical miles from the maritime boundary of the South African exclusive economic zone (EEZ), a seam of 200 nautical miles extending from the world’s coastlines. ...For the time being the Equiano cable system which now consists of a trunk of 3600km on top of the 1150km long branch to St Helena has still not made landfall outside of St Helena.
