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Google Fires Author of Divisive Memo on Gender Differences

Chris_the_Brit

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Here Are the Citations for the Anti-Diversity Manifesto Circulating at Google

Leaked Internal Memo

The guy got fired has a Ph.D in Systems Biology from Harvard...getting shat on by SJW types with their mickey-mouse gender studies degrees! Lol.

Alphabet Inc.’s Google has fired an employee who wrote an internal memo blasting the web company’s diversity policies, creating a firestorm across Silicon Valley.

James Damore, the Google engineer who wrote the note, confirmed his dismissal in an email, saying that he had been fired for “perpetuating gender stereotypes.” He said he’s “currently exploring all possible legal remedies.”

The imbroglio at Google is the latest in a long string of incidents concerning gender bias and diversity in the tech enclave. Uber Technologies Inc. Chief Executive Officer Travis Kalanick lost his job in June amid scandals over sexual harassment, discrimination and an aggressive culture. Ellen Pao’s gender-discrimination lawsuit against Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers in 2015 also brought the issue to light, and more women are speaking up to say they’ve been sidelined in the male-dominated industry, especially in engineering roles.

Earlier on Monday, Google CEO Sundar Pichai sent a note to employees that said portions of the memo “violate our Code of Conduct and cross the line by advancing harmful gender stereotypes in our workplace.” But he didn’t say if the company was taking action against the employee. A Google representative, asked about the dismissal, referred to Pichai’s memo.

Damore’s 10-page memorandum accused Google of silencing conservative political opinions and argued that biological differences play a role in the shortage of women in tech and leadership positions. It circulated widely inside the company and became public over the weekend, causing a furor that amplified the pressure on Google executives to take a more definitive stand.

After the controversy swelled, Danielle Brown, Google’s new vice president for diversity, integrity and governance, sent a statement to staff condemning Damore’s views and reaffirmed the company’s stance on diversity. In internal discussion boards, multiple employees said they supported firing the author, and some said they would not choose to work with him, according to postings viewed by Bloomberg News.

“We are unequivocal in our belief that diversity and inclusion are critical to our success as a company,” Brown said in the statement. “We’ll continue to stand for that and be committed to it for the long haul.”

The memo and surrounding debate comes as Google fends off a lawsuit from the U.S. Department of Labor alleging the company systemically discriminates against women. Google has denied the charges, arguing that it doesn’t have a gender gap in pay, but has declined to share full salary information with the government. According to the company’s most recent demographic report, 69 percent of its workforce and 80 percent of its technical staff are male.

Following the memo’s publication, multiple executives shared an article from a senior engineer who recently left the company, Yonatan Zunger. In the blog post, Zunger said that based on the context of the memo, he determined that he would “not in good conscience” assign any employees to work with its author. “You have just created a textbook hostile workplace environment,” he wrote. He also said in a email, “Could you imagine having to work with someone who had just publicly questioned your basic competency to do your job?”

Still, some right-wing websites had already lionized the memo’s author, and firing him could be seen as confirming some of the claims in the memo itself – that the company’s culture makes no room for dissenting political opinions. That outcome could galvanize any backlash against Alphabet’s efforts to make its workforce more diverse.

n her initial response to the memo, Brown, who joined from Intel Corp. in June, suggested that Google was open to all hosting “difficult political views,” including those in the memo. However, she left open the possibility that Google could penalize the engineer for violating company policies. “But that discourse needs to work alongside the principles of equal employment found in our Code of Conduct, policies, and anti-discrimination laws,” she wrote.

The subject of Google’s ideological bent came up at the most recent shareholder meeting, in June. A shareholder asked executives whether conservatives would feel welcome at the company. Executives disagreed with the idea that anyone wouldn’t.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-employee-behind-controversial-diversity-memo
 
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Feels>Reals.

This guy posted scientific facts about reality and got fired for it, but those things are hate facts and only those evil nasty republicans are anti-science.
 
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According to the company’s most recent demographic report, 69 percent of its workforce and 80 percent of its technical staff are male.
*Triggering intensifies* Did they just assume their staff's gender? How sure are they that their employees actually identify as male?
 

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James Damore, the Google engineer who wrote the note, confirmed his dismissal in an email, saying that he had been fired for “perpetuating gender stereotypes.”
Lol no he got fired because part of the memo violated their code of conduct.
 

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99% of daycares are manned by women. Would you send your baby/child to a daycare where men take care of them? No? Then you are perpetuating gender stereotypes.

It is our human nature. We have been doing it since the dawn of time. And we'll be doing it till kingdom comes.
 

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99% of daycares are manned by women. Would you send your baby/child to a daycare where men take care of them? No? Then you are perpetuating gender stereotypes.

It is our human nature. We have been doing it since the dawn of time. And we'll be doing it till kingdom comes.
I would. Haven't seen Daddy Day Care yet?
 

Tikkop

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I would. Haven't seen Daddy Day Care yet?
Cool movie, ja.

But men are biologically programmed to only provide and take care of their own offspring (and there are many men who can't even get that right).

This is why you don't see many men applying for daycare positions. And also why you would be taking a risk to put your children in the care of strange men.
 
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Cool movie, ja.

But men are biologically programmed to only provide and take care of their own offspring (and there are many men who can't even get that right).

This is why you don't see many men applying for daycare positions. And also why you would be taking a risk to put your children in the care of strange men.
Do you not meet the people when you take a child to daycare or do you just say hey random stranger take my child?
 

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Great move by Google just making half his argument for him.
I value diversity and inclusion, am not denying that sexism exists, and don’t endorse using stereotypes... If we can’t have an honest discussion about this, then we can never truly solve the problem. Psychological safety is built on mutual respect and acceptance, but unfortunately our culture of shaming and misrepresentation is disrespectful and unaccepting of anyone outside its echo chamber. Despite what the public response seems to have been, I’ve gotten many personal messages from fellow Googlers expressing their gratitude for bringing up these very important issues which they agree with but would never have the courage to say or defend because of our shaming culture and the possibility of being fired. This needs to change.
Have the courage to speak up and boom, get fired.
And cut me the violated the code of conduct BS, that's just the scapegoat so he can't / won't sue them.
 

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Do you not meet the people when you take a child to daycare or do you just say hey random stranger take my child?
Should I have dated the daycare for 2 years and lived with it longer also, before proposing a marriage?

Strange women are less of a risk than strange men. Strange people who share a common belief system is less of a risk than people who don't share your beliefs.

Who all have gender and cultural biases. That's my only point.

And men and women are equal, but we are not the same. Otherwise we wouldn't be men and women.
 

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Stop bitching and moaning. Create your own platforms to compete with these SJW-converged companies. They will die out soon anyway. Great opportunities everywhere. Get in the market wherever these idiots have taken over companies and start your own. Civilized people are sick of these people and will jump to any platform that will stick it to them and show them that they have no place in a healthy, normal society.
 
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Should I have dated the daycare for 2 years and lived with it longer also, before proposing a marriage?

Strange women are less of a risk than strange men. Strange people who share a common belief system is less of a risk than people who don't share your beliefs.

Who all have gender and cultural biases. That's my only point.

And men and women are equal, but we are not the same. Otherwise we wouldn't be men and women.
That's how kids get abducted thinking a strange woman is less of a risk but hey good luck with that.
 

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That's how kids get abducted thinking a strange woman is less of a risk but hey good luck with that.
Are you purposefully being obtuse? All women in a daycare are strangers to you. Whether you have known them for a day or a year. Yet a daycare full of strange women is less a risk than a daycare full of strange men.

Now, go ahead and deny this and show me the error of my ways.
 

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> Smart enough to get a PhD in Biology from Harvard
> Dumb enough to broadcast an internal memo blasting diversity policies

:crylaugh:
 

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Cool movie, ja.

But men are biologically programmed to only provide and take care of their own offspring (and there are many men who can't even get that right).

This is why you don't see many men applying for daycare positions. And also why you would be taking a risk to put your children in the care of strange men.
What a load of bull. Women abuse children all the time, even infanticide happens regularly.

Typical internet right-winger putting everyone into boxes. More like men don't apply for daycare positions because the pay is crap, no status because it is socially seen as "women's work".
 

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Feels>Reals.

This guy posted scientific facts about reality and got fired for it, but those things are hate facts and only those evil nasty republicans are anti-science.
Facts :crylaugh:

Damore’s 10-page memorandum accused Google of silencing conservative political opinions and argued that biological differences play a role in the shortage of women in tech and leadership positions. It circulated widely inside the company and became public over the weekend, causing a furor that amplified the pressure on Google executives to take a more definitive stand.
Perhaps you should rather take the word of an actual working biologist (professor) rather than a software engineer..

https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2017/08/06/what-differentiates-a-good-engineer-from-a-clueless-ignoramus/

Yes, there are real biological differences. But what are they?

Name these universal differences. Which ones are relevant to working as an engineer at Google? Do you realize that engineering, Google, and even working are socially constructed concepts? I rather doubt that we evolved sex differences in being able to code in Java or Python.

Which of these differences have clear biological causes linked to prenatal testosterone? I can think of a few: gonadal differentiation and formation of the external genitalia. Unless you’re banging out code with your testicles these are not relevant to working as an engineer at Google. The factors that do affect competence at engineering do not have clear biological causes.

“Biological” (I am learning to hate that modifier in these contexts) males that were not castrated at birth may still identify and act like females, whatever that means. What does it mean to act like a male or female? Do you realize that those terms are largely socially constructed?

Which traits are highly heritable? Producing sperm? Excessive body hair? Liking to watch football? Are these relevant to working as an engineer at Google, and what makes you think they’re exclusive to “biological” males?

Since the whole point of evolutionary psychology is to make up evidence to justify the status quo, that is a true statement, since EP predicts everything after the fact. It’s just not much of an endorsement to cite quack science in favor of your claims
 

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What a load of bull. Women abuse children all the time, even infanticide happens regularly.

Typical internet right-winger putting everyone into boxes.
We all put people into boxes. Some are just more honest than others.
 
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