Government must reduce speed limit in urban areas to 30km/h - Urban expert

[rustypup]

Argh, it makes no difference.

Sorry.. but yes it does. These speeds were set long before modern tech like ABS was in play.

If anything, higher limits would produce more cautious pedestrians, (HAHAHAHA).

Fact is, stopping distances have reduced considerably since these limits were introduced. Pointing them out now is just .... puerile. The distinction is meaningless and adds nothing to the conversation.

 

[rustypup]

over complicated

Speak for yourself. This is a primary driver of the issue. Some brains are just really bad at making quick decisions.

Drives me nuts when I see these mouth-breathers struggling to cope in emergency situations. Like they've decided the best option is to simply come to a complete stop and do nothing.

 

[Swa]

Sorry.. but yes it does. These speeds were set long before modern tech like ABS was in play.

If anything, higher limits would produce more cautious pedestrians, (HAHAHAHA).

Fact is, stopping distances have reduced considerably since these limits were introduced. Pointing them out now is just .... puerile. The distinction is meaningless and adds nothing to the conversation.

I do agree, 60km/h is more than enough to stop in most cases. If you can't react fast enough going at 60km/h you are unlikely to be able to at 30km/h as well. Most accidents involving pedestrians as I said are not in urban areas in any cases so it makes practically zero difference what the limit is.

My point was that we in fact don't have higher limits than most countries but lower ones. Yet our pedestrian fatalities are among the highest.

 

[ToxicBunny]

I do agree, 60km/h is more than enough to stop in most cases. If you can't react fast enough going at 60km/h you are unlikely to be able to at 30km/h as well. Most accidents involving pedestrians as I said are not in urban areas in any cases so it makes practically zero difference what the limit is.

My point was that we in fact don't have higher limits than most countries but lower ones. Yet our pedestrian fatalities are among the highest.

I have no idea where that 40kmh number on the wiki comes from, our urban speed limit is on average 60kmh.

 

[rustypup]

our urban speed limit is on average 60kmh

Impossible given the large number of areas pegging this at 40. Especially around schools.

 

[C4Cat]

First off roads are not meant to have lots of pedestrians.

I don't know what gives you that idea? There are far more pedestrians than cars and they also need to get around and cross roads

 

[C4Cat]

Most accidents involving pedestrians as I said are not in urban areas in any cases so it makes practically ze

Do you have a source for this statistic or is it just 'as I said'

 

[ToxicBunny]

Impossible given the large number of areas pegging this at 40. Especially around schools.

Those are the exceptions, not the norm.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Do you have a source for this statistic or is it just 'as I said'

It would be an interesting source because it would be an entirely counter intuitive result given that most vehicle traffic and population is in urban areas.

 

[rustypup]

Those are the exceptions, not the norm.

You don't get how averages work, do you.

 

[Hemi300c]

If the anc listens to this moron will the blue light brigades follow the law?

 

[ToxicBunny]

You don't get how averages work, do you.

And how extensively have you driven south Africa's urban roads?

I'm fully aware of how averages work, and also that areas of 40kmh are exceptions so will lower the average but not make the average 40.. I would say if all added up I'd peg our average around the 56 or 57kmh mark all told.

 

[JohnStarr]

Government must reduce speed limit in urban areas to 30km/h - Urban expert

The government should drop the speed limit in South Africa’s urban areas to help reduce the large number of pedestrian fatalities.

This is according to Open Streets urban designer Kirsten Wilkins, who recently spoke about pedestrian safety in the country on CapeTalk. The discussion followed the release of government’s Easter traffic statistics.

There were 235 fatalities on South Africa’s roads during the 2021 Easter period, of which around 35% were pedestrians.

Fuel consumption will go through the roof; gearboxes will crap themselves from sustained driving in gears they shouldn't be; and taxis will therefore only slow down to 70km/h and STILL ignore the general road rules.
Sounds like this person is a kook! Pedestrians should also look where they walk for the most part!

 

[C4Cat]

If you can't react fast enough going at 60km/h you are unlikely to be able to at 30km/h as well

Between 30 and 40 km/h, the stopping distance increases by 50 percent!

Combined with the fact that peripheral vision decreases, as speed goes up, the evidence is overwhelmingly clear: if we want streets that are safe for all the people using them, including people walking and people biking, we need to reduce vehicle speeds.

This is why the global Vision Zero movement is calling for a 30 km/h speed limit. At higher speeds, it is simply not possible to make our streets safe and inclusive.

Vehicle Speed and Stopping Distance - Raise the Hammer

www.raisethehammer.org

 

[Gazg]

As opposed to the pedestrians who have no clue?

Something like that......

 

[saturnz]

educate the pedestrian first! like don't cross the road unless at a robot or pedestrian crossing - dumbass!

I can't recall how many times I seen people walking / jogging on the road with a perfectly paved unobstructed empty pavement.

yeah sure, there is that argument

but stand on the corner of Lower Burg Street and Strand Street in CT CBD and see how many cars jump that robot within the space of ten minutes, in both directions

infact I've seen traffic cops jump that same robot

 

[Swa]

I don't know what gives you that idea? There are far more pedestrians than cars and they also need to get around and cross roads

Are they supposed to be on the road or on the pavements and sidewalks meant for them?

Do you have a source for this statistic or is it just 'as I said'

Does the RTMC publish official statistics or does that not play into their narrative?

It would be an interesting source because it would be an entirely counter intuitive result given that most vehicle traffic and population is in urban areas.

Not really. Lower speeds mean shorter stopping distances.

Between 30 and 40 km/h, the stopping distance increases by 50 percent!

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Vehicle Speed and Stopping Distance - Raise the Hammer

www.raisethehammer.org

We are not talking between 30 and 40 but 30 and 60. The higher you go the less overall impact the extra distance has. Also the major mistake here is assuming that 60km/h means that accidents will occur at 60km/h.

 

[Dan C]

yeah sure, there is that argument

but stand on the corner of Lower Burg Street and Strand Street in CT CBD and see how many cars jump that robot within the space of ten minutes, in both directions

infact I've seen traffic cops jump that same robot

Bloody hell, it must be some sexy robot

 

[Mr Justice]

This must be the the same guy working at rain telling the CEO slower internet is better lol

 

[Corelli]

You cant compare Europe's traffic at 30km with our road speed. Not the same.