Green Point ... thread of still fighting over tenants

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Cape Town - 2010 LOC CEO Danny Jordaan has urged either Ajax Cape Town or Santos to make full use of the new Green Point Stadium after the World Cup.

Speaking at a discussion forum on the 2010 legacy projects, Jordaan said it would be “very painful if a Cape Town team does not use Green Point Stadium after the World Cup”.
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Soccer and Rugby must share

Just saw this on News 24, what are your guys thoughts? Should WP sell Newlands and move to Green Point. Should Ajax and Santos share the stadium?

Any ideas?
 
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The stadium has an operator. Whether or not this operator gets a tenant does not impact on its events planned for 2010 and beyond.

Lets not forget that WP rugby have made losses before. They aren't the big money tank people think they are.

Why on earth would Ajax and Santos need to share the stadium? There is Athlone Stadium. Even if they did, its not like they will bring in big bucks.

Newlands is tatty, outdated, unsafe in the crush under the Railway Stand, lacks parking, is in the middle of a confined residential space and has inadequate media facilities. It represents a poor-value consumer experience for the high ticket prices at big games.


The ground was not commercially viable for a Lions Test this year and wouldn't have passed muster for the 2015 Rugby World Cup if we had been granted it.

And owning a property brings management burdens and costs which would be shed with a move.

Danny Jordaan was right, Newlands is at the end of its lifecycle. It needs a radical upgrade to stay competitive. And who will finance such a costly project when a new stadium lurks over the mountain poised to destroy the business plan?

And will the city council which owns Green Point and desperately needs it to have revenue be happy to approve any plans which are beneficial for Newlands?

The nightmare scenario we face is Green Point standing impeccably empty and Newlands busy yet drifting into decay and decline.

As long as rugby holds on to its ball, Green Point will battle to get any kind of big naming sponsor, thereby further pushing it into debt.

And where does the sports marketing company Sail fit into all of this? It owns nearly 25% of WP Rugby (Pty) Ltd (the union's commercial arm) and is also a shareholder in the Green Point operator.

Its front man Morne du Plessis's deserved reputation for integrity and sanity is going to take strain holding that contradiction together.
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As I've said before. Its not Newlands vs Green Point. Its WP Rugby vs. WP Rugby.
Spite is a terrible thing
 
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capetownguy said:
The stadium has an operator. Whether or not this operator gets a tenant does not impact on its events planned for 2010 and beyond.

Lets not forget that WP rugby have made losses before. They aren't the big money tank people think they are.

Why on earth would Ajax and Santos need to share the stadium? There is Athlone Stadium. Even if they did, its not like they will bring in big bucks.
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I agree that it would be viable for WP to move to Green Point. I just would like to see soccer benfit from the World Cup.

How did/are the renovations improving Athelone? What size will it be, will it be at a good level in terms of transport, pitch quality, and ease of use?
 
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cr@zydude said:
I agree that it would be viable for WP to move to Green Point. I just would like to see soccer benfit from the World Cup.

How did/are the renovations improving Athelone? What size will it be, will it be at a good level in terms of transport, pitch quality, and ease of use?
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New pitch being installed
30,000 seat capacity
10 mins from cbd
along Klipfontein Corridor

images at www.capetown.gov.za
 
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I think Ajax should take the stadium, they are a big club in SA and what an amazing stadium to have.
 
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If only the stadiums in SA was of such a build that one could use it as a Baseball pitch also. I do think there is plenty of oppertunity for Baseball in SA. Problem is the venues.

I only know of one field suitable for Baseball and it's Crafford (SP) in Pretoria. But it can't even host 1000 spectators :(

If that was the case, someone could have started a Big league baseball series and used all these old/new stadiums for that purpose...
 
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are you serious?

Cape Town has quite a few baseball fields but I doubt they have seating.
If we ever need to host a baseball event Newlands is suitable as proposed for the Olympic bid. Graphic available on request.
 
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Pitbull said:
If only the stadiums in SA was of such a build that one could use it as a Baseball pitch also. I do think there is plenty of oppertunity for Baseball in SA. Problem is the venues.

I only know of one field suitable for Baseball and it's Crafford (SP) in Pretoria. But it can't even host 1000 spectators :(

If that was the case, someone could have started a Big league baseball series and used all these old/new stadiums for that purpose...
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Nice idea, but not gonna happen. Baseball is way down the list of sports in SA. I dare say the next sport to 'go big' should be hockey. It has good schools leagues but goes bust after that.
 
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I don't understand how anybody can think that's it's okay to try to force somebody to use that stadium.

The agent must stop buggering around with politics and get their act together.
 
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I think we will have a whole herd of them once this blasted world cup buggers off into the sunset.
 
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capetownguy said:
eish. the ignorance.
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Why so? I can see you are an evangelist for all this wasteful redistribution of taxpayers' wealth. Do you really think we need all these new stadiums? Are they ( especially the CT and DBN ones ) going to have any kind of viable future? ( Other than if the beloved government forces existing traditional stadiums like King's Park and Newlands to close by imposing prohibitive rates or whatever ).

Edit. My God! I see we have been pissing money away building monster stadiums in Rustenburg, Nelspruit and Polokwane! What earthly future could these have???
 
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rwenzori said:
Why so? I can see you are an evangelist for all this wasteful redistribution of taxpayers' wealth. Do you really think we need all these new stadiums? Are they ( especially the CT and DBN ones ) going to have any kind of viable future? ( Other than if the beloved government forces existing traditional stadiums like King's Park and Newlands to close by imposing prohibitive rates or whatever ).

Edit. My God! I see we have been pissing money away building monster stadiums in Rustenburg, Nelspruit and Polokwane! What earthly future could these have???
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Idiot! The Royal ba***eng Stadium was built years ago, it just got an upgrade for the world cup!

The new stadiums are in PE, Nelspruit, Polokwane, Cape Town and Durban.

Moses Mabhida is getting an athletics track post 2010, and will be used to bid for the 2020 Olympics in Durban.

PE really need a new stadium, the EPRFU stadium sucks, and will soon be demolished.
 
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royal ba***eng has two tenants
nmb stadium has already hosted events and will host ep rugby currie cup matches
 
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capetownguy said:
royal ba***eng has two tenants
nmb stadium has already hosted events and will host ep rugby currie cup matches
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Yeah, those are being used, and Mbombela and Peter Mokaba aren't even done yet.

Will Black Aces move to Nelspruit to use Mbombela?
 
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