Grey, Collegiate matric pupils investigated for 'turkey incident'

[r00igev@@r]

That's a distinction without a difference. Grey is a public school and is answerable to the minister.

True story. The Grey College SGB believed they outranked the minister. 4 years, R5 million in legal fees and they lost every case filed.

 

[Kosmik]

Are you disagreeing with me that the state does not own the Greys? Show me the title deeds that prove its in private hands.

The situation you describe is catered for in the ACT. I was wrong in that the SGB can hire and fire SGB posts but not Department posts.

In the case of Scheepers he was provided a car and other perks such as accommodation by the SGB but they were not allowed to dismiss him.

Its great that you are a member of a SGB so you can highlight in which legal framework based on the Act where the term semi-private is used and its status as a legal entity in South Africa.

I'm not talking about the semi private debate. My disagreement is that public schools that are co-funded CAN and some do OWN their land. Your blanket statement is that public schools cannot own their land.

And correct, SGB have full control over posts that we create/fund and staff, same as any other employer.

 

[r00igev@@r]

I'm not talking about the semi private debate. My disagreement is that public schools that are co-funded CAN and some do OWN their land. Your blanket statement is that public schools cannot own their land.

And correct, SGB have full control over posts that we create/fund and staff, same as any other employer.

Sorry, was not aware there was a state school on private property, In the case of Grey the land is worth about R400 million. It even originally owned the land that the University of Free State was built on as well as Eunice.

In that case if I owned that property I'd pay to relocate the school somewhere else and establish my own school.

 

[Dan C]

There was a BOX!
And inside that box....
There was a SMALLER BOX!...
Aaaaannnnd inside that....

Did you drive it around the world ?

 

[r00igev@@r]

That doesn't make it public. It receives private and public funding and is answerable to an SGB and the department of education. That makes it semi-private as were former model C schools.

Yes it is a public school as defined in Act 84 of 1996 known as The South African Schools Act defines two schools: public schools and independent schools.

The Greys are public schools. There is no definition in the Act of a semi-private school.

 

[r00igev@@r]

Semi-private refers to the way the school is governed or run. It has nothing to do with ownership.

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Your reference states: "'Model C' was a semi-private structure" and "the form of 'Model C' was abolished by the post-apartheid government"

Semi-private / Model C do not exist. A school is either a public school or an independent school.

 

[bwana]

That doesn't make it public. It receives private and public funding and is answerable to an SGB and the department of education. That makes it semi-private as were former model C schools.

Every public school has a GB and the GB of a public school is legally required to "take all reasonable measures within its means to supplement the resources supplied by the State in order to improve the quality of education provided by the school to all learners at the school"

And every GB is answerable to the minister. Including Grey High School.

SASA Act 84 of 1996 https://www.gov.za/sites/default/files/gcis_document/201409/act84of1996.pdf

 

[bwana]

Public schools only have teachers paid by the state. Semi-private receive both private and started funding.

All public schools are mandated to supplement the resources supplied by the State if at all possible. They're still public when they do so.

 

[r00igev@@r]

You sound just like a myopic ANC cadre.
Whatever your government act defines is not the reality of how things work. If not for semi-private school structures, this country would be in a bigger mess than it is.

Reality vs ANC reality. Two different things. Now you know what we mean when we say semi-private so no more hanna-hanna'ing see?

Quick send me my free Range Rover. Why insult me by referring to me as an ANC cadre? Never voted for them and never will?

You sound like an anarchist. The law is the thin line what has saved South Africa. Semi-private is a figment of the imagination. Get over it and move on.

I would understand if you said that Independent schools are the ones preventing the mess in this country but they aren't capable of playing good rugga.

 

[r00igev@@r]

See my previous post. End of discussion.

I concur. The Earth is also flat despite what scientists say as they are government stooges who have been hoodwinked. End of discussion,

 

[r00igev@@r]

Schools made up of state funded teachers who receive a salary from the state and teachers who are paid by the SGB. I'm referring to those schools that have multiple income sources. Just so you are aware when people refer to semi-private, that is what they are referring to.
This is not an argument to win, Bwana.

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...in practice... I.e. the reality.
This is South Africa where "on paper" means on toilet paper...

Well done Dr Google. Search "semi-private schools in south africa" and link to the first post you see. A commercial company that has paid google to appear on page one for its insurance product.
Step 2, hurl insults at South Africa comparing it to excrement. Where have I seen that before?

 

[Geoff.D]

Our prep school Headmaster closed his eyes when he swung. His blows ended up anywhere from the back of the knees to mid back.

Ha well, that explains everything!

 

[bwana]

Ha well, that explains everything!

Thank you. In my day schools bred character, not chicken chokers or turkey tossers.

 

[Geoff.D]

Thank you. In my day schools bred character, not chicken chokers or turkey tossers.

Ja agree. At Worcester boys Primary and later the high school next door, we all got our share of the cane.

And our parents were in on it. Complaining at home just meant more of the same.

Times table lessons in Std 3, 4, 5 went as follows:

2 times 7 =? (wack), 2 x 7 = [desperate shout 14], 3 x 7 = wack ........... All the way up to the 16 times table.

 

[Supervan II]

There was a BOX!
And inside that box....
There was a SMALLER BOX!...
Aaaaannnnd inside that....

Moenie daai d00s wees nie!

 

[r00igev@@r]

No aunty, my wife worked at a semi-private school for many years.
But my opinion is not stopping you taking the government stance. If it makes them feel better, it probably does you too.

My father was a headmaster and inspector in the Transvaal department of education.
Means nothing.
Semi-private? Why not semi-state? I'll ask him if his pension is semi-private? He founded 4ways High School.
You miss the point. This discussion started on page 2 when it was stated Grey was private and not public. It then morphed into semi-private.
Whether you like it or not the government has told the schools involved here to investigate and report back the them about the turkey incident. I suppose that means they are semi-private and can ignore it as they not run by the government.

 

[Dan C]

Those turkeys were semi-private.

 

[r00igev@@r]

Thank you. In my day schools bred character, not chicken chokers or turkey tossers.

We had the world champion chicken choker in our dorm at hostel.

I know what a chicken choker is but what is a turkey tosser?

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[r00igev@@r]

Those turkeys were semi-private.

The Woolworth Chickens are also semi-private and choked to perfection.

Edit: Cooked - I meant cooked.

 

[Dan C]

The Woolworth Chickens are also semi-private and choked to perfection.

Edit: Cooked - I meant cooked.