Guaranteed Future Value a Rip-Off?

Foxhound5366

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So I've seen a rise of 'guaranteed future value' deals, which are really just a fancy way of selling consumers residuals that are so high that they wouldn't have taken the deal any other way.

It's really clever marketing: you've gone from being glum that your car will have lost half its value by the time you want to trade it in; to being happy that you've been guaranteed that it will be worth 50% of its value when you want to trade it in 0.o

Surprisingly enough Toyota's jumped at this in a big way, not only with their Fortuner (which traditionally was meant to hold its value anyway), but now even its Quest (which I'd have expected would be the same thing).

The sticky part here is that Toyota is clearly under-selling the future value, presumably so they score more at the end of the deal (that's pretty much where all their profits get deferred to).

Case in point: http://www.toyota.co.za/guaranteed-future-value/corolla-quest

Why on earth would Toyota be proud of the fact that a brand new Quest (with limited mileage no less) will be worth *only* 52% of its value after 48 months?

The even crazier part is that you're going to be paying R152 160 for a car that was only worth R183 900 anyway, except at the end of it you're going to hand back the car and Toyota's going to make a big profit when they sell your Quest for a fair bit more than the R95 628 they gave you to settle that big residual value they convinced you to take so happily.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm all in favour of residual payments where they can sometimes enable you to buy a class of car that you could never have afforded otherwise ... and the money you effectively lose on the deal is essentially a tax on the enjoyment you experience on the awesome car. However, the Quest deal boggles my mind: you're paying a serious amount of money for an average car, and you won't see a dime of value back after only four years.
 

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well, it does look expensive compared to a normal sale...remember no1 is forcing anyone to take this deal, its just 1 of the many options to think about. im sure there are certain clients that would take advantage of this deal and be happy.No harm in offering an extra deal/option.
 

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The value they guarantee in the begining is the minimum value. If the trade in value is more you get more out. But yes, you are essentially going into a residual deal with a huge balloon payment.

The problems with these deals is interest and condition of the car at the end of term. If you buy a R200K car on R100k guaranteed buyback. You pay R100k back in capital, but interest on R200k down to R100k, not R100k to R0. The GFV assumes your car is perfect condition; no stonechips, parking lot scratches and medium to low milage. You are responsible for the difference.

These are only good deals if your job provides you with a car allowance.
 

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Now don't get me wrong, I'm all in favour of residual payments where they can sometimes enable you to buy a class of car that you could never have afforded otherwise ... and the money you effectively lose on the deal is essentially a tax on the enjoyment you experience on the awesome car. However, the Quest deal boggles my mind: you're paying a serious amount of money for an average car, and you won't see a dime of value back after only four years.

Residual (or balloon) payments are the work of the devil. If that's the only way you can afford to finance a car, then you really can't afford to finance the car.
 

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Great product if you're in a phase where your salary is rapidly rising and you get good bonusses. I used this often with BMW after completing my articles. Just make sure that you understand all the variables.
 

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Great product if you're in a phase where your salary is rapidly rising and you get good bonusses. I used this often with BMW after completing my articles. Just make sure that you understand all the variables.

How much you earn doesn't make any difference, apart from you maybe feeling the sting of all that lost money a bit less.

It'd be interesting to see how many people who'd feel uncomfortable taking a balloon payment of 40% would now be happy to just because its called 'guaranteed future value' instead (and 52% nogal).
 

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If I was looking to get into the market of never owning a vehicle again, then as a concept the GFV deals make sense... you basically lease the vehicle for x months.
 

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If I was looking to get into the market of never owning a vehicle again, then as a concept the GFV deals make sense... you basically lease the vehicle for x months.

Yes, but then it should be sold as such in the name of transparency.

Call it 'Four-year rental with usage conditions' and it'd be clear what it is.
 

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3.5k pm over 36 months for a car that's worth just over 180k, seems about right, but only if you in the market for trading in after that period of course.
 

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Yes, but then it should be sold as such in the name of transparency.

Call it 'Four-year rental with usage conditions' and it'd be clear what it is.

The deals are usually transparent with clear terms and conditions. Problem is with the buyer who makes the decision. e.g.

BMW deal

Monthly payment From R7 299 p/m
Model price R 526 657
Deposit 13.07%
Period 36 Months
Interest Rate 8.21% Linked
GFV R 291 500
Total cost R 335 255

Offer available through BMW Financial Services (South Africa) (Pty) Ltd., an Authorised Financial Services & Registered Credit Provider NCRCP2341. This offer is calculated on the BMW 420i Gran Coupé (automatic) including CO2 emissions tax, linked to current Prime Rate, based on 60 000 km contract limit. Total cost to customer includes 13.07% deposit, initiation fee, monthly service fees (R57 p/m), 36 monthly instalments and excludes GFV of R291 500, licence and registration. Residual may apply subject to deal structure. Offer valid until 30 September 2015 and subject to stock availability. Rate may vary if price differs from the example displayed in this advert. Not available in conjunction with any other BMW 4 Series offer. Model shown with optional extras not included in pricing. Terms & conditions apply.
 
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Foxhound5366

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The deals are usually transparent with clear terms and conditions. Problem is with the buyer who makes the decision. e.g.

BMW deal

Eina! More than R100 000/year cost just to rent a BMW 4 Series.

That's what you get when you *really* can't make up your mind what car you want, so you prefer a new toy every three years.

I wonder if you even get your deposit back with that deal, or if that's lost in settling the balloon payment.
 

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And when month 36,72 or what ever comes around they WILL find something to deduct off the GFV amount.

You will never win.
 

Foxhound5366

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And when month 36,72 or what ever comes around they WILL find something to deduct off the GFV amount.

You will never win.

Yeah, the guarantee ain't so guaranteed.

This reminds me of the sign I saw painted on my local Romans Pizza's floor ... 'The Completely Limitless Deal*' ... and then if you spotted the * and looked for it, there was a bit of fine print ... 'Terms and Conditions Apply'. I had to laugh at whatever marketing genius thought that up.
 

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Eina! More than R100 000/year cost just to rent a BMW 4 Series.

That's what you get when you *really* can't make up your mind what car you want, so you prefer a new toy every three years.

I wonder if you even get your deposit back with that deal, or if that's lost in settling the balloon payment.

There are people who want a new car every 3-5yrs. South Africa is just catching up on what happens in UK, USA.

If it was about getting from point A to B safely, I personally doubt it makes financial sense to buy expensive premium cars in the first place. Some people buy Golf 7 GTi whereas basic, cheaper VW Polo model would do just fine. Each must do what pleases them.
 
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dlk001

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And when month 36,72 or what ever comes around they WILL find something to deduct off the GFV amount.

You will never win.

If there was an accident claim and/or you over the agreed kilometers then you gonna have a shocking surprise.

I know with every car I owned, when it comes to trade-in, they go through it with a fine tooth-comb to lower the price. Most car dealers are linked to their approved panel-beaters e.g. BMW, VW where they will check accident damage and reduce the price.
 
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