GW Bush: Fsck endangered wildlife

[BCO]

I disagreed. I don't agree that the Japanese are getting away with blue murder, why do you say you concur when you actually disagree?

Japanese hunt whales the way we kill pigs in abbatoirs and cull lions in the Kruger. They use the meat and various products for cultural reasons.
They are a relatively isolated, unique culture and very defensive about their
traditions. I can understand that and while they don't destroy all the whales
which they won't do (that would end their tradition for ever) and we eat meat
and fish we should empathise and tolerate other people.

Japan also contributes a cr@pload of cash to poor countries so they have higher moral point IMO. USA, Japan, Canada, EU and some others contribute
a lot of $$$ to the environment, for medical research and relief in the world
directly and through various NGOs and Non-Profits. Who maintains the UN?
Who maintains UNICEF? Who maintains the RC? Do you know what the PEPFAR
program even is? Don't you think it's shameful that a foreign president gave more to people with HIV/AIDS in South Africa than our elected leader who
has been criticising him left, right and centre?

Aussies aren't perfect and they have been doing some nasty things at home,
so maybe they should clean house first and then point fingers at the Japanese. The Japanese aren't angels either. We're all imperfect and maybe we should change ourselves first before commenting on things we don't understand (I speak about governments here not posters on this forum).

Peter, your argument is flawed. What you're saying is "the US also does some good things, and other countries also do some bad things, so it's OK that the Endangered Wildlife Act in the US has been raped."

I don't see what PEPFAR, the UN or any other thing you've mentioned has to do with the issue we're discussing, which is the destruction of protective environmental policies in the United States.

 

[PeterCH]

Peter, your argument is flawed. What you're saying is "the US also does some good things, and other countries also do some bad things, so it's OK that the Endangered Wildlife Act in the US has been raped."

I don't see what PEPFAR, the UN or any other thing you've mentioned has to do with the issue we're discussing, which is the destruction of protective environmental policies in the United States.

Of course they're not specific. Nothing is specific.

If the American people feel something is amiss in their own backyard, let them fix it. LOL. Americans have elected a new president and if he feels the
environment is endangered in the US of A by what Bush has done over his tenure, he'll reverse Bush's policies. No harm done.

However, for someone on a South African forum to refer to GWB with 'fsck'
for doing something in the US of A has to be totally clueless because while PEPFAR and contributions to the UNO
don't count for the Americans, they do count for us here in 3rd world AIDS-ridden South Africa.

Argument is not flawed at all. I think it's arrogant to criticise a man for doing something to his own environment while
overlooking or not appreciating his contributions to our own sickly people here. What's more important for us?
Some EPA rulings in the US or our own people here? LOL.

 

[PeterCH]

+ 1

Whale = pig = cow = lamb = all animals which feel. All animals who don't
want to die to appear on a plate at a restaurant. Just because the one is big, exotic and more intelligent - it doesn't make it right to exploit the
'lower' animals instead.

Unless BC you're a strict vegetarian, you're just being 'selective' in your definitions .

 

[charlie_82]

Eliminating the Endangered Species Act and establishing PEPFAR are two seperate issues...
And as you say, the president in the USA is not the sole person in charge, so perhaps this wonderful PEPFAR foundation you keep referring to (which has what to do with The Engandered Species Act, I'm still trying to figure out) was just GWB doing what he was told to, leaving plenty room for him to still be a moron.

You keep saying everyone has their flaws but refuse to admit GWB has any.
Tho after having said that, I have no doubt you'll concede to this point.

I'm sure the PEPFAR foundation has done many wonderful things, but this doesn't necessarily mean that GWB hasn't done numerous other moronic things.

And how can one equate whales with sheep & pigs? When these animals are bred for the sole purpose of food. Unless there's a whale farm we've missed?

In terms of culling, yes we do cull lions, elephants and numerous other animals - this is for THEIR benefit. And AFAIK, we do not have any issues with whale over-population.

 

[charlie_82]

You ever see a 10 year old die of AIDS? While her molester got free ANTI-HIV treatment in jail?
No. Priorities people....

I have to agree with you on this point. It is ludicris that the honest, law-abiding citizens suffer when the criminals get free ARV's. Although this assuming the molester/rapist actually sees the inside of a jail cell...

 

[BCO]

Of course they're not specific. Nothing is specific.

If the American people feel something is amiss in their own backyard, let them fix it. LOL. Americans have elected a new president and if he feels the
environment is endangered in the US of A by what Bush has done over his tenure, he'll reverse Bush's policies. No harm done.

However, for someone on a South African forum to refer to GWB with 'fsck'
for doing something in the US of A has to be totally clueless because while PEPFAR and contributions to the UNO
don't count for the Americans, they do count for us here in 3rd world AIDS-ridden South Africa.

Argument is not flawed at all. I think it's arrogant to criticise a man for doing something to his own environment while
overlooking or not appreciating his contributions to our own sickly people here. What's more important for us?
Some EPA rulings in the US or our own people here? LOL.

Actually most of my salary is paid by the US government, so I have a lot more cause than you to be appreciative of the good they've done in Africa. Notwithstanding, I'm well within my rights to call Bush a fsck, a c_nt or whatever else I want to call him. He's a warmongering, fundamentalist, big business shill who's been one of the worst presidents in US history.

It will take Obama's administration a number of years to undo what Bush has done in the last few weeks, and in the mean time, America's wildlife, water resources, mountains and people will suffer as a result of this legislation. Just because it's not in my own country doesn't mean I have no right to disapprove. It's all of our planet, and people like Bush aren't helping any of us with their disregard for the long term wellbeing of our habitat.

Also, I am a vegetarian, so I'll pass judgement on whale killers as much as I like mkay.

Finally, you didn't answer the question I asked you in this post: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=2371079&postcount=5