Half-a-degree of warming boosted extreme weather

[Pitbull]

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Arthur again.

Damn it, what is happening to either me or Arthur... something is not right

 

[scudsucker]

No. Maybe try reading comprehension. I am questioning how much did sea levels actually rise to cause any real affects.
I think any so called damage is more likely to be something like erosion rather than "climate change"

"Reading for comprehension" is not your strong suit, apparently. You are a liar. Your quoted responses contradict each other.

Why don't you try a new tack, let's say, "providing scientific evidence in the form of peer reviewed published papers"?

You can tag team with Arthur, if you like. We are all waiting for actual evidence.

 

[Pitbull]

What I find pretty amazing:

Water on earth can not become more or less. There will ALWAYS be the same amount of water in various forms. That being said I say again, the world has been hotter en will probably still be hotter to come and will eventually get to some sort of ice age. Now where will all this water come from to drown the world since it has never drowned?

Many different variables are at play when one speaks about the rising sea water. If you add ice to water it reaches a set limit. As the ice melts the glass doesn't over flow all of a sudden. Yes, you have ice on land which then flows into the water which will cause it to rise. Agreed. You also have millions of tons of rubbish in the oceans, we have increased weight being added which would also cause a rise in sea levels.

Point being, there are million and millions of variables that can and does contribute to the rising sea levels. I think it's pretty naive to assume it's because the poles are melting... Can they contribute? Sure. How much does it actually contribute? aha... see the issue. You see the icebergs melt... would not affect sea levels. Ice on land will contribute. It's impossible to quantify this and stupid to say that is the reason the seas are rising. I'm sorry, even you have to see that.

 

[scudsucker]

I am questioning how much did sea levels actually rise. Thermal expansion should contribute more than the icecaps melting.

Oh, and for bonus points: if you agree that thermal expansion is a thing; then:

You surely agree that thermal expansion is a result of sea water getting warmer?

And you surely agree that due to the currents in the ocean heat is distributed across the entire world, including the arctic and antarctic? Surely we can agree that with a warmer ocean, both polar regions will also become a little warmer?

And that the logical conclusion is that the slightly warmer arctic and antarctic oceans will experience higher ice melt, because, they are warmer (even a % of a degree)

And... to bring this depressing post to its conclusion; thermal expansion of the sea would directly cause melting of sea ice.... yes?

 

[scudsucker]

I suggest you do a tiny bit more research; and try to remember while doing so that ice is lighter than water and therefore floats.

When the icecaps melt that produces a HUGE amount of extra water in the ocean. Look up how much water is locked up in ice right now. If that melts (via human or natural cause, it doesn't matter) we are ****ed.

 

[Pitbull]

I suggest you do a tiny bit more research; and try to remember while doing so that ice is lighter than water and therefore floats.

When the icecaps melt that produces a HUGE amount of extra water in the ocean. Look up how much water is locked up in ice right now. If that melts (via human or natural cause, it doesn't matter) we are ****ed.

It's not floating because it's lighter... geesus...

It floats because it's less dense.

And you want to discuss science LOL /out!

 

[Arthur]

There's also increasing evidence that there's more water in the crust than on the surface. In other words, more water deep underground than in all the seas, oceans, rivers, and lakes. Up to three times more.

 

[scudsucker]

... you want to discuss science LOL /out!

This is probably your best strategy

 

[scudsucker]

There's also increasing evidence

... that you are willing to specify? You know, with evidence, or peer reviewed scientific papers, the usual?

I have heard this theory too. It came from biblical literalists attempting to explain where the water from Noah's flood came from.

They also did not supply peer reviewed scientific papers, suprisingly.

 

[rietrot]

Oh, and for bonus points: if you agree that thermal expansion is a thing; then:

You surely agree that thermal expansion is a result of sea water getting warmer?

And you surely agree that due to the currents in the ocean heat is distributed across the entire world, including the arctic and antarctic? Surely we can agree that with a warmer ocean, both polar regions will also become a little warmer?

And that the logical conclusion is that the slightly warmer arctic and antarctic oceans will experience higher ice melt, because, they are warmer (even a % of a degree)

And... to bring this depressing post to its conclusion; thermal expansion of the sea would directly cause melting of sea ice.... yes?

Yes. You are arguing with yourself.
The climate changes, it gets warmer then ice melts. This happens in cycles, most notably yearly, summer and winter also every decade or so la nina and el nino.
The disagreement is whether or not this is man made or if the earth naturally has more longer term cycles and exactly how much can we possibly affect that.

 

[Arthur]

... that you are willing to specify? You know, with evidence, or peer reviewed scientific papers, the usual?

I have heard this theory too. It came from biblical literalists attempting to explain where the water from Noah's flood came from.

They also did not supply peer reviewed scientific papers, suprisingly.

Hehe. You are a hoot. Throw in a snide little chirp about religion to show how superior your True Scientific Knowledge is. "It comes from biblical literalists"! Really, hey? Heard of Ringwoodite? Around 700km deep.

You're pushing me to do exactly what I said I don't want to do - post links. You can find them for yourself, but I'll help to start you off:

I doubt you've heard of a little journal called Nature, but can assure you it has some creds: Vast water volume in mantle

Here's New Scientist - Vast water volume in crust.

And if you'd really bothered to to follow even the ordinary lay media, try these:

The Guardian

Even the obscure foreign Press carried the story...

There are hundreds more you can find yourself. BBC, New York Times Washington Post, Sydney Morning Herald, PhysOrg, etc, etc.

 

[scudsucker]

Thanks Arthur.

My motive was not to push you to do anything you do not want to do, but to inspire our fellow thread followers to actually post a legitimate source for their claims.

Reitrot? Care to continue this?



Edit: and yes, to be snide.

 

[Binary_Bark]

I can.... just not.... I am lost for words :erm::wtf:

 

[KleinBoontjie]

What baffles me, is that when I was in school back in the 80's, they taught us that the sea level is rising so-and-so cm a year (like a meter every 10 years). Yet, almost 30 years later, I was at Sandbaai and Pearly beach, the other day and it looks the same level to me. I'm walking on the same rocks when angling, as back then and I'm not deeper in the water.
Disclaimer: I'm not apposed to Global warming, but some "facts" seems to be off.

 

[Arthur]

Thanks Arthur.

My motive was not to push you to do anything you do not want to do, but to inspire our fellow thread followers to actually post a legitimate source for their claims.

Reitrot? Care to continue this?



Edit: and yes, to be snide.

Sorry I overreacted. Seriously, my apols. Half the frustration was battling this little mobile screen & keyboard. The other was at someone bringing religion into this discussion. This is about science, not the Meaning of Life.

 

[rietrot]

What baffles me, is that when I was in school back in the 80's, they taught us that the sea level is rising so-and-so cm a year (like a meter every 10 years). Yet, almost 30 years later, I was at Sandbaai and Pearly beach, the other day and it looks the same level to me. I'm walking on the same rocks when angling, as back then and I'm not deeper in the water.
Disclaimer: I'm not apposed to Global warming, but some "facts" seems to be off.

There was someone that claimed they could see the affects in strand and camps bay. I would like to see an actual measurement or photo comparisons. I doubt the sea levels raised by much if anything at all.

 

[Techne]

People want to limit plant food production aka CO2. Vegetarians unite!
The earth is greening... make more plant food.

 

[KleinBoontjie]

There was someone that claimed they could see the affects in strand and camps bay. I would like to see an actual measurement or photo comparisons. I doubt the sea levels raised by much if anything at all.

Apologies, neglect to quote said person. That was the reason for my post.
Venice, Italy, also comes to mind, they should see levels rise more easily than us.

 

[SaiyanZ]

What I find pretty amazing:

Water on earth can not become more or less. There will ALWAYS be the same amount of water in various forms.

No, the earth is not a closed system. Bits of our atmosphere including water vapour is radiated out into space and lost forever every day. We just have so much of water whilst also being protected by our magnetic field, that it will take a very long time to lose everything. Probably never in the lifespan of the earth if our magnetic field stays intact.

 

[Xarog]

Oh, and for bonus points: if you agree that thermal expansion is a thing; then:

You surely agree that thermal expansion is a result of sea water getting warmer?

And you surely agree that due to the currents in the ocean heat is distributed across the entire world, including the arctic and antarctic? Surely we can agree that with a warmer ocean, both polar regions will also become a little warmer?

And that the logical conclusion is that the slightly warmer arctic and antarctic oceans will experience higher ice melt, because, they are warmer (even a % of a degree)

And... to bring this depressing post to its conclusion; thermal expansion of the sea would directly cause melting of sea ice.... yes?

So I'm gonna jump in here with a few direct questions:

How long before the industrial age was the level of carbon in the atmosphere stable?

How much has the average global temperature varied in that time period?

And is it true that the most recent "little ice age" is the coldest that it has been on this planet in the last 10 000 years, and is it not true that during the reneissance era that the planet was warm enough for people to farm crops in Greenland, which is now completely covered in ice?