Hamas to fight 'till last breath

[marine1]

I'd like to send you off to Israel so you can fight

Anytime, unlike you I can put my money where my mouth is.

 

[Syndyre]

Maybe, maybe not. But Israel is hardly a picture of wide-eyed love and care.

Can you blame them considering what they face?

What I've found funny these last couple days since the bombing started is that analysts have described Livni as being a moderate but her words have basically been that of a warmonger. The only reason Hamas was raining down rockets on Israeli towns was because they had imposed a blockade on Gaza which has meant that the government could not function properly and supplies were cut off from the citizens.

They unilaterally withdrew from Gaza but that didn't help much did it? Are you honestly saying if it wasn't for the blockade Hamas wouldn't launch rockets? Source?

Love that new PC term It is amazing how people pick up on catch phrases.

I know, what's actually the problem with being disproportionate anyway?

 

[rwenzori]

Can you blame them considering what they face?

Not really. Only insofar as they, holding the power, are the only side capable of creating conditions that might lead to some kind of peace. But they are not willing to, and the killing by both sides will continue on and on and on.

 

[Syndyre]

Not really. Only insofar as they, holding the power, are the only side capable of creating conditions that might lead to some kind of peace. But they are not willing to, and the killing by both sides will continue on and on and on.

They signed peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan and haven't had any problems with them since. They unilaterally withdrew from Gaza, that didn't help them much. Its hard to negotiate with the irrational.

 

[Alan]

Not really. Only insofar as they, holding the power, are the only side capable of creating conditions that might lead to some kind of peace. But they are not willing to, and the killing by both sides will continue on and on and on.

So Hamas are interested in peace just because they happen to be the underdog. . Good old "criminal is the victim mentality" again.

They've proven before they are interested in peace by signing treaties with Egypt and Jordan

 

[marine1]

So Hamas are interested in peace just because they happen to be the underdog. . They've proven before they are interested in peace by signing treaties with Egypt and Jordan

Isnt that always the case?
Maybe the people here who so support Ham A$$ should take a trip to Israel and actually see for themselves whats going on....if they have the balls to do so.

 

[Alan]

Isnt that always the case?
Maybe the people here who so support Ham A$$ should take a trip to Israel and actually see for themselves whats going on....if they have the balls to do so.

Well I'm sure if they went to Gaza their ever charitable comrades Hamas would supply them with sufficient body armor

http://yalibnan.com/site/archives/2008/03/22/palestinian children look at militants.jpg

 

[marine1]

 

[rwenzori]

They unilaterally withdrew from Gaza, that didn't help them much. Its hard to negotiate with the irrational.

All they did was create a ghetto ( something they know quite a bit about I would think ) in an attempt to gain some political points by "withdrawing". They blockade the area very tightly, causing massive economic and health problems, and a lot of human suffering.

 

[Alan]

All they did was create a ghetto ( something they know quite a bit about I would think ) in an attempt to gain some political points by "withdrawing". They blockade the area very tightly, causing massive economic and health problems, and a lot of human suffering.

And what about Egypt? I guess they're evil Israel lackeys( They, after all, did sell they soul to the devil along with Jordan) for doing the same even though they don't get attacked. The only explanation then is it must be the dreaded MOSAD mind control devices again. Quick send a shipment of your finest tin foils hats to their leaders

 

[Frankie]

All they did was create a ghetto ( something they know quite a bit about I would think ) in an attempt to gain some political points by "withdrawing". They blockade the area very tightly, causing massive economic and health problems, and a lot of human suffering.

Looks like Hamarse' brotherly neighbours in Egypt aren't keen on them having too much freedom and access to weapons from the Islamic Republic of Iran.

http://www.thetimes.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=911165

But Egyptian President Hosni Muabarak said in a televised speech Tuesday that his country would not throw open the crossing unless Abbas regains control of the border post. Mubarak has been rattled by the presence of a neighbouring Islamic ministate in Gaza, fearing it would fuel more Islamic dissidence in Egypt.

 

[Syndyre]

All they did was create a ghetto ( something they know quite a bit about I would think ) in an attempt to gain some political points by "withdrawing". They blockade the area very tightly, causing massive economic and health problems, and a lot of human suffering.

What would be the benefit to them of blockading Gaza if not for security reasons? They no longer claim it and have no settlers there, they'd be better off if it was stable, so why blockade it if not to protect themselves? Do you think if they lifted the blockade Hamas would stop firing rockets and just start holding hands and singing Kumbaya? The same Hamas that refuses to recognise Israel's right to even exist?

 

[Alan]

Do you think if they lifted the blockade Hamas would stop firing rockets and just start holding hands and singing Kumbaya? The same Hamas that refuses to recognise Israel's right to even exist?

Of course they would. They're reasonable people. It's only through desperation that they strap bombs to 14 year olds and then send them off to bomb buses. Like fellow comrades the ANC. They bombed malls full of innocent people in desperation but now they're in power and we're all singing Kumbaya aren't we. Same with Zanu PF.

 

[marine1]

Of course they would. They're reasonable people. It's only through desperation that they strap bombs to 14 year olds and then send them off to bomb buses.

 

[Alan]

I guess since Hamas supporters here consider themselves reasonable they would do the same if they were in that situation

 

[rwenzori]

What would be the benefit to them of blockading Gaza if not for security reasons? They no longer claim it and have no settlers there, they'd be better off if it was stable, so why blockade it if not to protect themselves?

It is your typical Middle Eastern vicious cycle. The other side to the argument is that if they did not enforce the blockade that is causing untold human suffering, they might not be receiving quite so many "rockets". As I have said before, Israel, as the one holding the cards, is the only side that can create any conditions for some kind of peaceful settlement. But they do not wish to, so one must assume "racial/religious hatred" rather than the tired old excuse of "security".

You see it even on this far-removed forum - all the hate posts suggesting Israel just go in and f*** them up big time. Peace has no chance.

 

[Alan]

No for peace to have a chance Hamas would have to have it as an objective. I fail to see how you come to the conclusion that they do. All you suggest is Israel take up a policy of appeasement and everybody knows what that results in

 

[Syndyre]

It is your typical Middle Eastern vicious cycle. The other side to the argument is that if they did not enforce the blockade that is causing untold human suffering, they might not be receiving quite so many "rockets". As I have said before, Israel, as the one holding the cards, is the only side that can create any conditions for some kind of peaceful settlement. But they do not wish to, so one must assume "racial/religious hatred" rather than the tired old excuse of "security".

You see it even on this far-removed forum - all the hate posts suggesting Israel just go in and f*** them up big time. Peace has no chance.

Hamas have to at least recognise Israel as a sovereign state before they can effectively be negotiated with. You can't negotiate with someone that doesn't at the very least recognise your right to exist.

 

[rwenzori]

No for peace to have a chance Hamas would have to have it as an objective.

I'll ignore your second attempted barb, and agree with you on this one, I think. Is it too late for peace in the area?

 

[Alan]

I'll ignore your second attempted barb, and agree with you on this one, I think. Is it too late for peace in the area?

Yet you expect Israel to nothing about Hamas? They can't negotiate with them so the only option is too destroy them.

Peace will come. In relative terms the conflict is a low intensity one hence it's taking such a long time. For example the struggle between Democracy and Communism lasted for 70 years. It took 2 world wars to bring peace to Europe. There are many other examples around the world of peace but it all came at a very high price. The Israel/Palestinian problem is no different.

Until the likes of Hamas, FATAH, Hizbollah, Ayatollahs, Baathits are destroyed there won't be peace. Ultimately their own people will have to come to the realization that they're not the defenders they claim to be and they'll continue to only bring suffering to the people. Until such time Israel has the right to defend itself.