Have you been vaccinated for Covid-19 yet?

JohnStarr

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It has nothing to do with Tracking and the related conspiracies. More along the lines of no one knows what this virus is or how it is mutating. I am not goin to let you inject me with snake oil in the hope that it has an reduced effect if I come in contact with the virus. Which most probably will have mutated to the point that the vaccine is useless agains in any case.

All these if's only come into play if I am susceptible to the virus in the First case, And I highly doubt I am. I know I have been infected with the first wave. That thing hits like a Bus being transported by a freight train. 3 days later and it is like a normal rainy season sniffles. Yes some of the guys working with me did not survive.

Second wave and some more Passed. I never got the slightest of fever. Highest I hit was 36,9 C.


Now you want to Inject me with an unknown substance that might or might not work. That might cause death.


I believe I am in within my Rights to decline the vaccine very strongly. I will re-access the situation if the need arises.

Until then, I will ask you for a vaccine, You don't need to offer it.
Are you going on that report of 30 people dying out of 18.1 million vaccinated? We won't put up our hands at home to get vaccinated, but when it does come along it's going to allow us to travel which dovetails into plans to leave the country.

Have you seen the efficacies of the various vaccines? That proves they work just by the by. You can decline your vaccine chance, nobody can force you. Work might not let you back in the office but that's also their prerogative.
 

Magnum

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Are you going on that report of 30 people dying out of 18.1 million vaccinated? We won't put up our hands at home to get vaccinated, but when it does come along it's going to allow us to travel which dovetails into plans to leave the country.

Have you seen the efficacies of the various vaccines? That proves they work just by the by. You can decline your vaccine chance, nobody can force you. Work might not let you back in the office but that's also their prerogative.
I don't work in an office. I have not been to the Office in 6- 7 years. Haven't seen a boss in 2 years.

ON another matter, Do you take a vaccine for the Flu season of 3 years back? or do you take a 3-4 cocktail vaccine for the suspected worst strains that may hit in the coming winter season?

Out of 50 million ish people, of which very few really practices social distancing, masks, sanitizer and washing, most don't even care that we are in the midst of a pandemic and we have 53K recorded deaths???? now Ill ignore the 150K extra deaths complained about by insurance companies as that is still nowhere close to the international death rates by population percentages.

I'm am not a nay sayer. I do believe that this threat is real. Lost some close acquaintances that were healthy and not even close to the Critical age group.

However I am a technologist. And the math just does not add up. Something is wrong. And I don't like making decisions based on unknown variables.
 

JohnStarr

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I don't work in an office. I have not been to the Office in 6- 7 years. Haven't seen a boss in 2 years.

ON another matter, Do you take a vaccine for the Flu season of 3 years back? or do you take a 3-4 cocktail vaccine for the suspected worst strains that may hit in the coming winter season?

Out of 50 million ish people, of which very few really practices social distancing, masks, sanitizer and washing, most don't even care that we are in the midst of a pandemic and we have 53K recorded deaths???? now Ill ignore the 150K extra deaths complained about by insurance companies as that is still nowhere close to the international death rates by population percentages.

I'm am not a nay sayer. I do believe that this threat is real. Lost some close acquaintances that were healthy and not even close to the Critical age group.

However I am a technologist. And the math just does not add up. Something is wrong. And I don't like making decisions based on unknown variables.
I've never had a flu vaccine, but have been vaccinated against other diseases like smallpox as have our kids. No fear in that.
I'll have the vaccine when the time comes to leave this hell hole of a country as it would initiate the so-called vaccine passport allowing us to do so.
What is being posted (and I have seen that start to happen) is people who have no clue posting links to articles about 30 people dying from the vaccine. The article doesn't take into consideration these people might have died anyways without the vaccine being administered. And it conveniently puts the information of 18.1 million successful vaccines somewhere near the end.
I have had family and friends get the virus too. 1 mate had zero symptoms, and I had a family member almost end up in hospital while another is complaining of those neurological issues 30% experience after having the virus.
I think when people take it for granted they're asking for trouble, but being aware and just wearing a mask and sanitising goes a long way.
Like I have said before, we won't rush out to be in the front of the queue for the vaccine, but if it comes our way we will consider it. Luckily I defer to my wife who's a pharmacist for more scientific information...my knowledge is nowhere near her level :)
 

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This is Africa. There is no control over how, If and when you got a Vaccine. We can't even keep the lights on. A first world passport structure will not work here. 2-3 years down the line that whole system will collapse in dark Africa.
 

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This is Africa. There is no control over how, If and when you got a Vaccine. We can't even keep the lights on. A first world passport structure will not work here. 2-3 years down the line that whole system will collapse in dark Africa.
Sad but true
 

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After my reply I was informed that all Junior up to area level management felt the same way.

What industry do you work in? Overwhelmingly the people I have spoken to will get the shot and I'm wondering what space you exist in that it's the complete opposite.
 

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It has nothing to do with Tracking and the related conspiracies. More along the lines of no one knows what this virus is or how it is mutating. I am not goin to let you inject me with snake oil in the hope that it has an reduced effect if I come in contact with the virus. Which most probably will have mutated to the point that the vaccine is useless agains in any case.

All these if's only come into play if I am susceptible to the virus in the First case, And I highly doubt I am. I know I have been infected with the first wave. That thing hits like a Bus being transported by a freight train. 3 days later and it is like a normal rainy season sniffles. Yes some of the guys working with me did not survive.

Second wave and some more Passed. I never got the slightest of fever. Highest I hit was 36,9 C.


Now you want to Inject me with an unknown substance that might or might not work. That might cause death.


I believe I am in within my Rights to decline the vaccine very strongly. I will re-access the situation if the need arises.

Until then, I will ask you for a vaccine, You don't need to offer it.

1) It's not snake oil. At very least the vaccines are proven to combat the virus in the short term, although that may change as it mutates, just like with the flu. That's also why we get flu vaccines every year that are different to the previous year.

2) Question: you will not take the vaccine to protect others? Would you change your mind and take the vaccine if you knew people got sick because of you and died as a result?

3) It is not an unknown substance. There is a ton of documentation on the different types of vaccines and how they work. At this point there MAY be some doubts around the AZ vaccine and some blood clot related issues, but they have dished out millions of doses and there are exceptionally few cases of blood clots, which at this point may be completely unrelated. Of the 18 million people vaccinated with AZ, only 30 people have developed blood clots. You're probably about as likely to get hit by a truck driving home today.


4) I agree that you are within your rights regarding whether to take the vaccine or not, but it seems you need to educate yourself further on how the vaccines actually work as your current argument about not taking it seems based on ignorance rather than being well informed.
 

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What industry do you work in? Overwhelmingly the people I have spoken to will get the shot and I'm wondering what space you exist in that it's the complete opposite.
I work Directly with Foreigners. Field support specialist. They don't give a damn about any laws or rules.
 

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1) It's not snake oil. At very least the vaccines are proven to combat the virus in the short term, although that may change as it mutates, just like with the flu. That's also why we get flu vaccines every year that are different to the previous year.

2) Question: you will not take the vaccine to protect others? Would you change your mind and take the vaccine if you knew people got sick because of you and died as a result?

3) It is not an unknown substance. There is a ton of documentation on the different types of vaccines and how they work. At this point there MAY be some doubts around the AZ vaccine and some blood clot related issues, but they have dished out millions of doses and there are exceptionally few cases of blood clots, which at this point may be completely unrelated. Of the 18 million people vaccinated with AZ, only 30 people have developed blood clots. You're probably about as likely to get hit by a truck driving home today.


4) I agree that you are within your rights regarding whether to take the vaccine or not, but it seems you need to educate yourself further on how the vaccines actually work as your current argument about not taking it seems based on ignorance rather than being well informed.
1) I destinctly remeber an article stating that the new vaccine was highly effective against the second variant and that it should be administered. a week later there was another article stating that new research shows that the effectiveness was severely reduced by the second covid variant. all the other treatments and jabs have been around decades/centuries.

Every pharmaceutical entity is trying to rush something to save lives. They are winging it with a few giving up. Hence Snake oil. There is not enough time to do any research. no one knows what the long term effects will be of any vaccine. 5/10/15 years down the line. weer are pretty sure the Polio vaccine works without any negative effects.

2) it was directly ordered that the Vaccine does not protect against transmission and all laws are still in effect even for those who have had the "Jab".

3) We refer back to my initial post regarding the extremely low South african infection rate taking into account our low education levels and disobediance.

At any given time the whole of the world's population cannot be wiped out by a single virus. There is enough Genetic variation for at least a small group to survive/unnafected. Even at least 2% of the natural European population is completely immune to AIDS due to a genetic abnormality whereby the cell layer is absent to which the AIDS virus has mutated to bond to.

We live on a continent where Ebola, AIDS, and other parasites kill. Where no other continent faces the extremities we are exposed to on a daily basis. We are a Powder keg for Viral mutations and yet we have almost no mention-able deaths. I stand by my statement. There are too many unknown variables. As a Logic Extremist I cannot make any decision however rational based on incomplete analysis. Especially one that has unknown effects and possible long term afflictions.
 

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1) I destinctly remeber an article stating that the new vaccine was highly effective against the second variant and that it should be administered. a week later there was another article stating that new research shows that the effectiveness was severely reduced by the second covid variant. all the other treatments and jabs have been around decades/centuries.

Every pharmaceutical entity is trying to rush something to save lives. They are winging it with a few giving up. Hence Snake oil. There is not enough time to do any research. no one knows what the long term effects will be of any vaccine. 5/10/15 years down the line. weer are pretty sure the Polio vaccine works without any negative effects.

2) it was directly ordered that the Vaccine does not protect against transmission and all laws are still in effect even for those who have had the "Jab".

3) We refer back to my initial post regarding the extremely low South african infection rate taking into account our low education levels and disobediance.

At any given time the whole of the world's population cannot be wiped out by a single virus. There is enough Genetic variation for at least a small group to survive/unnafected. Even at least 2% of the natural European population is completely immune to AIDS due to a genetic abnormality whereby the cell layer is absent to which the AIDS virus has mutated to bond to.

We live on a continent where Ebola, AIDS, and other parasites kill. Where no other continent faces the extremities we are exposed to on a daily basis. We are a Powder keg for Viral mutations and yet we have almost no mention-able deaths. I stand by my statement. There are too many unknown variables. As a Logic Extremist I cannot make any decision however rational based on incomplete analysis. Especially one that has unknown effects and possible long term afflictions.
Nope.
Firstly, they're not immune, they're highly resistant to infection.
Secondly, it's less than 2%. Closer to 1%.
And how did this mutation become common? Because those without it were wiped out in hemorrhagic fever plagues over a 300 year period. Want to know why we don't need to let that sort of gene selection happen again now with COVID or other deadly diseases?
I'll give you a clue... vaccinations.
 

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My best bud died from a stroke. He was vaccinated yesterday and complained of feeling light-headed and woozy later in the day...passed away at 10pm last night.

AstraZeneca vaccine is risky for older guys like us it seems. He was 51 and healthy.
I would believe this post if it wasn't from Flywheel...
 

vigras rojara

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I had the AstraZeneca vaccine about two weeks ago and I'm still alive.

As are my brother, sister in law and several friends.

Scary!
 
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