Helen Zille suspends IRR fellowship as she vies for powerful DA Federal Council chairperson post

[saor]

She can use her new, /cough, Renaldo show, Tea with Helen, or whatever it is called, to engage with people who are representative.

Haven't ever listened but sounds like a cool idea having public figures speaking publicly & unscripted & having somewhat more adult conversations.

 

[Nicodeamus]

This is just stupidity.

 

[BBSA]

It was never going to work, educating a black voter to accept that what is done is done and we are all equal now and must look towards the future?

It was actually working, the DA was growing and it stopped then they started with identity politics. The urban middel class is more intelligent than what you think.

 

[TheChamp]

It was actually working, the DA was growing and it stopped then they started with identity politics. The urban middel class is more intelligent than what you think.

Poor people are just as intelligent, more intelligent than you think.

When did the DA start the identity politics? When the Madam started dancing to Vulindlela and promoting Maimane over more experienced and deserving candidates? Or was it after?

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Like herpes... keeps coming back...

She is without a shadow of a doubt one of SA's most successful politicians. Your comparison to her as herpes is completely off base.

Making Cape Town then the Western Cape a "DA fortress" and then using that as a springboard to govern other major urban municipalities* is a significant achievement, whatever your political persuasion. Oh yes, she also grew the DA's national vote in 2009 and 2014 unlike Maimane...

*yes Maimane was in charge in 2016 but it is clear to me the foundation was laid by Zille. And Maimane didn't have to do much in 2016 given Zuma.

 

[C4Cat]

She is without a shadow of a doubt one of SA's most successful politicians.

Not something to be proud of.

 

[Knyro]

Not something to be proud of.

Yeah I snorted a bit at that. So are Malema and Zuma.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Yeah I snorted a bit at that. So are Malema and Zuma.

Not from a policy point of view. Unless you are a supporter of radical transformation.

 

[BBSA]

Poor people are just as intelligent, more intelligent than you think.

Nonsense, many poor people voted for the DA in the Western Cape.

If you can't see the DA is currently on the road to nowhere , then you blind.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

AND
WHAT kind of person is that -- might I ask ?

the kind that cares more about facts than people's feelings
like the simple fact that South Africa did benefit from being colonized, despite all the negatives that came with it

 

[MidnightWizard]

the kind that cares more about facts than people's feelings
like the simple fact that South Africa did benefit from being colonized, despite all the negatives that came with it

AAhhh
So now we have a smidgen of sense ...........
She could of course have had a look at and mentioned the Americas ( North and South )
Canadians strangely enough are happy to recognize themselves as colonists
One wonders WHY the North Americans are so loath to acknowledge the TRUTH
THEY are -- as much as the Canadians -- ALSO COLONISTS

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Yeah I snorted a bit at that. So are Malema and Zuma.

Not really. Zuma resulted in the ANC losing votes and control of key municipalities. The EFF, while growing, are off a very small base and of course, their growth slowed between 2014 and 2019. Zille grew the party by 6 percentage points between 2009 and 2014 off a far larger base than the EFF had in 2014. And the EFF didn't even grow by 6 percentage points between 2014 and 2019. Mediocre

 

[Packer]

Her going back to the DA leadership will not help the DA.

It will be much better than the present leadership.

 

[Packer]

As much as they need someone like Zille do they truly have no one else?

This is true. I hadn't thought of that.

 

[ForceFate]

It will be much better than the present leadership.

I'd say she started the downward trend during the latter parts of her tenure by alienating party veterans in pursuit of numbers. Her online presence didn't help the DA either. One could argue she caused controversy out of bitterness...

 

[Knyro]

Not really. Zuma resulted in the ANC losing votes and control of key municipalities. The EFF, while growing, are off a very small base and of course, their growth slowed between 2014 and 2019. Zille grew the party by 6 percentage points between 2009 and 2014 off a far larger base than the EFF had in 2014. And the EFF didn't even grow by 6 percentage points between 2014 and 2019. Mediocre

Zuma was the president of the country, he maneuvered his way all the way to the the top of the behemoth of an organisation that is the ANC. All without even finishing primary school. Even now he still has a sizeable faction of support in the ANC.

Malema became the ANCYL president, came back from the political wilderness to head the third largest party in SA. He brushed aside everybody except the DA and ANC with a new party in 6 years, 6 years for goodness sake. And he gave people mocking his education the finger by simultaneously stacking uni degrees while leading the EFF.

The EFF's growth is phenomenal even taking into account the latest results, and let's not forget the DA couldn't have taken all those important metros without them, giving Malema a disproportionate amount of power.

Even if you don't like them there is no denying that they are two of the most successful politicians in SA.

 

[R13...]

I'd say she started the downward trend during the latter parts of her tenure by alienating party veterans in pursuit of numbers. Her online presence didn't help the DA either. One could argue she caused controversy out of bitterness...

Yes people forget she's responsible for the disastrous Agang kiss and the appointments of token black faces started with her grooming of Lindiwe

 

[ForceFate]

Yes people forget she's responsible for the disastrous Agang kiss and the appointments of token black faces started with her grooming of Lindiwe

True. Also, I'd argue many black people who moved to the DA during her reign would've done so regardless, largely due to ANC's apathy towards corruption and violent crime.

 

[MidnightWizard]

Even if you don't like them there is no denying that they are two of the most successful politicians in SA.

Most successful BSers AND bunch of crooks

 

[C4Cat]

Most successful BSers AND bunch of crooks

That's what he said