Helen Zille suspends IRR fellowship as she vies for powerful DA Federal Council chairperson post

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Read the rest at the link above.
remind me how many whiteys are in the ANC top 6? has there ever been any other race represented in the ANC top 6?

The real racists are the ones who appoint based on race, like the ANC always does.
 

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remind me how many whiteys are in the ANC top 6? has there ever been any other race represented in the ANC top 6?

The real racists are the ones who appoint based on race, like the ANC always does.

I think you entirely miss the point. The ANC don't run around claiming some kind of moral high ground with regard race, everyone knows exactly where they stand. The DA however are hypocrites. They claim to be non-racial - look see here is our pet Black leader - but in reality the real power lies firmly in the hands of a few elite White people operating as a cabal within the party structures.

You can accuse the ANC of a lot of things but they don't come close to the DA in hypocrisy.
 

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You can accuse the ANC of a lot of things but they don't come close to the DA in hypocrisy.
oh really? how often have we heard the ANC claim that they are fighting corruption?
that is the very epitome of hypocrisy unmatched by any other party seeing as the ANC is corrupt to the core and is 100% to blame for the mess we're in

Raced-based hypocrisy? Perhaps you have a point, but in what hell is it better to support a proudly and openly racist organization over one that at least pretends to care about equality?
 

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You can accuse the ANC of a lot of things but they don't come close to the DA in hypocrisy.
I am staggering around in gobsmacked amazement before falling down with stars shooting from my head and small birds flying around it and crosses where my eyes were. Are you claiming, with your face hanging out, that the ANC are not hypocrites?
 

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I am staggering around in gobsmacked amazement before falling down with stars shooting from my head and small birds flying around it and crosses where my eyes were. Are you claiming, with your face hanging out, that the ANC are not hypocrites?
You can accuse the ANC of a lot of things but they don't come close to the DA in hypocrisy.

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oh really? how often have we heard the ANC claim that they are fighting corruption?
that is the very epitome of hypocrisy unmatched by any other party seeing as the ANC is corrupt to the core and is 100% to blame for the mess we're in

Raced-based hypocrisy? Perhaps you have a point, but in what hell is it better to support a proudly and openly racist organization over one that at least pretends to care about equality?


Actually when the ANC say they are fighting corruption they are usually doing exactly that - they do fight corruption at municipal level. DA not so much. They shuffle their people around when accusations are brought, but fail entirely on the whole idea of kicking them out and taking them to court bit. The DA talk a talk but do not walk the walk.

Where the ANC fails on the issue of corruption is when it is on a massive scale - Gupta, Nkandla, State Capture etc. although - again - they may be slow, but Zuma is in court, the Guptas are gone, and their mess is being cleaned up. WTF have the DA done? I can point to countless examples of the DA sweeping investigations under the rug - where is the forensic audit for Oudtshoorn that was done 4 years ago and never released? The poor lady in George who exposed their misspending - she's gone, the people who were doing the misspending - still there. Knysna is an ongoing DA **** show with all the guilty parties still there doing their thing.

But the DA do love to point fingers while polishing their halos in the press. You KNOW the DA is 'strong' on corruption because they make damn sure that the press report it that way. What you don't see in the press is the DA acting on, and removing corrupt members from within their ranks.

Talk is cheap, but the DA knows the value of talking **** about their opponents while doing sweet fark all about applying what they say to their own actions. That makes them giant hypocrites of the worst kind in my book.
 

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Do you guys know how election of leaders work in the DA, is it like in the ANC when a number of delegates elect leaders? I just remembered the dodgy way in which Natasha Mazzone was put into her current position.
 

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remind me how many whiteys are in the ANC top 6? has there ever been any other race represented in the ANC top 6?

The real racists are the ones who appoint based on race, like the ANC always does.

Not to mention that the ANC openly banned all non-black people from the highest levels of the ANC up until as recently as 1986.
 

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I think you entirely miss the point. The ANC don't run around claiming some kind of moral high ground with regard race, everyone knows exactly where they stand. The DA however are hypocrites. They claim to be non-racial - look see here is our pet Black leader - but in reality the real power lies firmly in the hands of a few elite White people operating as a cabal within the party structures.

You can accuse the ANC of a lot of things but they don't come close to the DA in hypocrisy.
Ja, no. I wish that was true then the DA wouldn't have been such a shît show.
 

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Actually when the ANC say they are fighting corruption they are usually doing exactly that - they do fight corruption at municipal level.
Which is why every Municipality in SA ALWAYS has a clean audit ..........

Are you really for real ????
 

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He backs up everything he says with actual evidence. His beef with the DA started with a small complaint about how the Knysna Tourism Board was being run and instead of dealing with it the locals involved started a smear campaign against him in Knysna but they picked on the wrong person. The more they tried to shut him up the more determined he got. And as he has tried to get people higher up the food chain interested in investigating the evidence he has the bigger the whole thing has gotten and the angrier he has become. And the angrier he has gotten, the more the idiots have tried to shut him up. He is prone to hyperbole when he accuses people of being in on the corruption when they won't investigate his evidence - which I suppose from a certain perspective is true enough - if you won't actively pursue an investigation when presented with hard evidence, you are part of the problem for sure - but that doesn't make the proof he has of the web of corrupt connections in the DA less valid. At least some of what he says is independently verifiable using public resources. and quite honestly when you follow the people from post to post and see how consistently the same group of people are involved in the same sort of shenanigans all over the WC = George and Oudtshoorn in particular = there is a very worrying pattern that emerges.
Another text wall
Please use paragraphs
You are presenting a one person view of the story
IF there is something to investigate he is certainly going about it the wrong way
He is coming across as -- "unbalanced"

WHAT do other non-affected people ( neutral ) in Knysna have to say ?
Do YOU know ?
Do you live in Knysna ?
 

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Another text wall
Please use paragraphs
You are presenting a one person view of the story
IF there is something to investigate he is certainly going about it the wrong way
He is coming across as -- "unbalanced"

WHAT do other non-affected people ( neutral ) in Knysna have to say ?
Do YOU know ?
Do you live in Knysna ?

The way I see it is that if you are genuinely interested in discovering how the DA operates you will do what I have done and that is pick up any thread that bugs you about your local politics. Are there accusations of corruption that have never been followed through on?

A favourite DA tactic is to make statements in the press about this or that corruption that ALWAYS make them look like they are on the side of right, but they never ever follow through.

It isn't in their interests to get the corrupt person out. They want them in place to do the damage until such time they fark up so royally that the DA can swoop in and capture the town. It is at this point that some other person will take the blame for all the mistakes, poor administration, etc that had occured in such a fashion that no-one stops to ask - where the fark where the DA councillors while all this was going on right under their noses - and a few key personnel will be fired.

There will be mutterings about prosecutions which will never happen. Any reports about any wrongdoing will be mentioned, but never made public. At this point the townspeople have been told so many times about how wonderful the DA are, they swallow all this shite hook, line and farking sinker.

They are so tired of all the crap and ongoing shenanigans that they don't even fight when their electricity, rates, water etc go through the roof - first excuse is 'we have to sort out the outstanding debt', then the next year there is another excuse, and the year after that another 'reason' is given. Meantime nothing is actually run better, you just pay more.

Then the building work starts - under the guise of 'job creation', there will be roadworks, a mall or two, municipal land sold off for a development, RDP houses - all contracts going to their buddies in the construction industry, oh and now the latest is the farking electronic water meters - with subsidiary companies being set up so you don't immediately associate it with the people who put in the water meters in COCT - all of course for your "benefit" - HA!

And they will publish totally bullshit reports about how they have turned the town around after the big bad ANC farked it up (with lots of help from their 'friends') while the residents bleed money in their general direction. All so the DA can ultimate achieve their goal of a little state capture of their own.

Read the news reports - this picture is there to be seen. Look at any town where there has been ongoing jockeying for control of the town between the ANC and the DA for a few years. Go back, read the press reports, read what the DA and then look at what they actually do.

There are examples of everything I have said all over South Africa.

Look at what happens when an ANC run town is put in administration under the DA. Look at the increases the DA introduce as soon as they can.

(ADHD length paragraphs for the internet generation).
 

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A few insights in this interview, and a reminder that the Federal Chair is a support position, not a leadership role: https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2019-10-05-helen-zille-why-i-am-returning-to-politics/

I'm not so sure that the federal chair is just a support position. Remember in 2016 when the DA had to create coalitions, it was James Selfe, not Mmusi Maimane doing the negotiations. This is one of the most important leadership jobs the DA has undertaken to date.
 

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I'm not so sure that the federal chair is just a support position. Remember in 2016 when the DA had to create coalitions, it was James Selfe, not Mmusi Maimane doing the negotiations. This is one of the most important leadership jobs the DA has undertaken to date.
Maybe Maimane delegated Selfe to do the negotiations?
 
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