Hell

[Ekstasis]

What is your take on this woman's story? Wouldn't you also write a book to share the experience in a hurry?

Even if you believe she was hallucinating, is there relevance or significance and meaning to what she experienced?

[video=youtube;HGQDkCi-OIY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HGQDkCi-OIY[/video]

 

[Nicci]

I dont know about this. I just go to the part where she started mumbling about visions and stuff and I thought to myself nah, this can't be true. All hocus pocus all this vision crap. And voice in my head nonsense. She might have been delusional with shock who knows.

 

[Ekstasis]

I dont know about this. I just go to the part where she started mumbling about visions and stuff and I thought to myself nah, this can't be true. All hocus pocus all this vision crap. And voice in my head nonsense. She might have been delusional with shock who knows.

though the problem is, she's not the only one.

 

[TheHiveMind]

You should watch this documentary

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=82b_1241911391

Rudi Affolter and Gwen Tighe have both experienced strong religious visions. He is an atheist; she a Christian. He thought he had died; she thought she had given birth to Jesus. Both have temporal lobe epilepsy.

Like other forms of epilepsy, the condition causes fitting but it is also associated with religious hallucinations. Research into why people like Rudi and Gwen saw what they did has opened up a whole field of brain science: neurotheology.

Even if you believe she was hallucinating, is there relevance or significance and meaning to what she experienced?

Relevant to her, not to me, or you.

 

[STS]

though the problem is, she's not the only one.

people have seen the Buddha and the mother Mary too. what is the point?

 

[copacetic]

What is your take on this woman's story? Wouldn't you also write a book to share the experience in a hurry?

Sure, good money in books like that, especially if you get to promote it on CBN.

*edit*

I've since discovered it took her 25 years... :erm:

Even if you believe she was hallucinating, is there relevance or significance and meaning to what she experienced?

If she was hallucinating, then no, of course not.

If she was not hallucinating, and her description of hell is true, then let's not forgot that hell is a creation of god...

Which leads me to my view of god as a real malicious prick, for him to create a place like that, and send a person like me there, simply for not believing in him.

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Anyhow, anyone who is going to get value from that interview, is so far down the rabbit hole, there's not much point discussing it, to be honest.

 

[copacetic]

I guess Satan has been pretty successful in keeping her from telling the Church about hell and how much God loves us. After all, it has taken her twenty-five (25) years to get this book self-published. From DMI’s research there is no record of any previous ministry on Laroux’s part according to the new blog/website which is very new and still under construction. She has one true obligation; something “special” she is called to do that seems to differ from what the rest of the Church is called to do. Obviously, until recently she has been failing to fulfill her obligation.

http://discernmentministriesinternational.wordpress.com/2011/03/31/delivered-oh-really/

Christian bitch fight!

 

[guest2013-1]

http://discernmentministriesinternational.wordpress.com/2011/03/31/delivered-oh-really/

Christian bitch fight!

Sometimes people need time to process their own stuff, so it may take a while to get the courage to take on a big institution like the church. However, personally I think this person is just nutters.

In school we used to have these kids come and do a show and "spread the word" and when they did their little speeches, almost all of them said "God came to them and told them to do this".

So I got fed up by this and said "dude, so you're telling me you're either more special than me because God talks to you, or you're crazy. So which is it?"

They quickly went "uh, no man, we mean figuratively" .... right... anyway

To each his own. God doesn't talk to you or show you anything. He just does what a neutral God does.

 

[murraybiscuit]

there was that nytimes bestseller proof of live by eben alexander (neurologist).
http://www.lifebeyonddeath.net/

i'm not really buying it. at best, it's evidence of something we don't understand.
how somebody then links it to a romantic mythology tailored to their personal needs is beyond me.

i think steve novella's comments make sense however:
http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/proof-of-heaven/

as a neurologist, sam harris may actually have something valid to say:
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/this-must-be-heaven

there's been some speculation that the angular gyrus has some role to play in obe's:

Recent experiments have demonstrated the possibility that stimulation of the angular gyrus is the cause of out-of-body experiences.[20] Stimulation of the angular gyrus in one experiment caused a woman to perceive a phantom existence behind her.[21] Another such experiment gave the test subject the sensation of being on the ceiling. This is attributed to a discrepancy in the actual position of the body, and the mind's perceived location of the body.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_gyrus

an article on swiss experiments:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2819-brain-probe-triggers-outofbody-experiences.html

 

[copacetic]

Sometimes people need time to process their own stuff, so it may take a while to get the courage to take on a big institution like the church. However, personally I think this person is just nutters.

The entire article I linked to was actually quite interesting in how it tore apart her story, doctrinally. Although I think both the author of said article, and this woman are as mad as crabs in a tumble dryer.

To each his own. God doesn't talk to you or show you anything. He just does what a neutral God does.

What does a neutral god do? Nothing at all, I presume? Which in essence would mean he does not exist?

 

[OrbitalDawn]

there was that nytimes bestseller proof of live by eben alexander (neurologist).
http://www.lifebeyonddeath.net/

i'm not really buying it. at best, it's evidence of something we don't understand.
how somebody then links it to a romantic mythology tailored to their personal needs is beyond me.

i think steve novella's comments make sense however:
http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/proof-of-heaven/

as a neurologist, sam harris may actually have something valid to say:
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/this-must-be-heaven

there's been some speculation that the angular gyrus has some role to play in obe's:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_gyrus

an article on swiss experiments:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2819-brain-probe-triggers-outofbody-experiences.html

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...aven-A-doctor-s-experience-with-the-afterlife

 

[SaiyanZ]

Apparently one of the most common visions/dreams is imagining oneself flying. Doesn't mean it will ever come true though.

 

[ichigo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1Qd64Nub5M

More interesting and scarier than the video linked here

 

[Fudzy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1Qd64Nub5M

More interesting and scarier than the video linked here

Hmmm, you have to question why these types of videos are only posted by Christian fundamentalists.

 

[ichigo]

Hmmm, you have to question why these types of videos are only posted by Christian fundamentalists.

never noticed until now

 

[Zewp]

I'm also planning to publish a book on that one time I passed out and went to hell.

Not that I went to hell. I just know if I make it up it will make me rich.

 

[AlphaJohn]

Its funny how "hell" or shall I say Sheol and Hades changed from a place for ALL the dead to a place for the sinners from the 1300's thanx to Dante's little Inferno.

 

[Swa]

What the hallucination hypothesis suggests is that all visions are just made up ramblings of the mind. It doesn't explain though how all plausible visions are very much the same on a fundamental level. It's also not applicable to when a person is really dead as their brain can't be functioning then. Some experiences like seeing what's going on in the physical world and even in another room can only be explained by actually being outside of the body.

 

[Redeemed]

Robert Bruce explains these mental states well in the book Astral Dynamics.