*HELP* Clear, Simple Message to Founders, Chairs, CEO's of Companies.

dagelf

Active Member
Joined
Jan 23, 2012
Messages
42
#1
Dear Community!

We all know that taking without asking is stealing, and that it is wrong.

While most of us are used to the abuse, and robbed into cynicism - and perhaps a tiny handful of us are too rich to care, or smart enough to evade the theft, it is the poorest of the poor who is affected the most, who can afford it the least, and who can do the least to stand up for themselves.

Bad governance aside, our recent downgrade to junk status is just a symptom of a deeper problem and one that, by simply paying attention to the things we've become blind to, it is perhaps no surprise.

Where do we start to address the many things that are wrong?

"Moenie steel nie". How can we expect those in government to not steal, if the "prized" and supposedly accountable, publically traded corporations, whose finances and everything is open to pubic scrutiny, that give us some of our most valuable services, are seen to stealing every day?

Where do we start - if these organizations are seen to be stealing every day to such an extent that it has become the new default and that we are so used to it we hardly even notice it?

I have a very simple proposal.

While it may seem pointless, it's important to me to start here.

We start a movement, and a campaign, that makes 100% beyond a doubt sure, that all the founders, chairs, boards, CEO's, know exactly the many ways in which they are taking without asking.

We put it to them in a non-agressive, non-accusing, friendly tone - what they need to do to make things right.

(Perhaps even tickle their imaginations with video ads - imagine someone having just lost the 20% of their monthly income they loaded as airtime... and then the network operator appearing as a person, and apologizing, and giving them back their money. Perhaps even saying sorry...)

You may think that this is a waste of time, or that they surely know... but what if?

What if they really don't know? Yes, surely a lot of people in the organization knows. But what if people with influence, and part of the original founding groups, really don't? What if they just think that they have good management that is doing a really good job, and that the public really is unthankful?

How many of the top guys actually use their bottom-end products themselves?

Even the good, non-self-righteous ones - what if they really really believe that the public is just unthankful for their services, not realizing how engrained a culture of taking without asking has become in their organizations and in those of their peers - and that they are all just doing what they can to keep up - everyone is stealing so they need to steal too to stay competitive, before something is stolen from them... because they need a short term return and they don't trust that the public will push back hard enough on their stealing peers?

What if we can just find one influential person capable of influencing one large corporation, to not hide behind legal-speak or fine print, and to stand for what is right and to make an effort to ask for consent before taking money?

This, in my opinion, is the right place and way to start. The message is simple enough, and if put in a calm, clear and palatable tone, perhaps it will be heard and can become part of the change that we want to see in the world.

Do you know any of these higher ups?

Will you ask them, sincerely and unaccusing, if they realize that their companies and services are taking without asking?


Will you ask them if they are willing to accept the help of people who can help their organizations use informed consent as the basis for doing business?

Will you ask them if they can create space in their companies for help to put in place systems and processes that will seek consent before taking money?

Will you ask them if they will explore and consider ways in which they can make their terms clearer and lighten the burden of their products and services on even those who are least informed, most marginalized and most economically excluded?

Will you ask them to consider committing to get to a point where they can commit to a time and date at which they will be able to commit to certain minimum standards for informed consent in dealing with their customers?

The thing is - we have many legal codes and standards that companies have to comply to - and most if not all do - the problem is that there are as many loop-holes that are exploited - and if a layperson on the street feels like they have been cheated or stolen from, regardless of whether these codes have been adhered to - they have probably been wronged.

We have a consumer protection act that provides some avenue for compensation - but it's the equivalent of asking for forgiveness rather than asking for permission, and it's not a default, just an avenue for someone with more time than money to pursue.

Is informed consent not a cornerstone of our civilization? If it isn't, shouldn't it be? And if it should, where do we start?

Are you the founder or owner of a company?

Have you figured out how valuable managing expectations is - and why? Do you take more than your customers expect to pay?
Do you explain why? Do you ask before you do?

Do you really think that sending a bill and then haggling about it, is the same as explaining and then asking?

How did you feel the first time that this happened to you?

How often does it happen?

Where do we start to stop this?

Are you ready to help?

Can you see this being part of the change that we need to see in the world?
 

blueowl

Active Member
Joined
Dec 28, 2009
Messages
85
#2
Dear Community!

We all know that taking without asking is stealing, and that it is wrong.

While most of us are used to the abuse, and robbed into cynicism - and perhaps a tiny handful of us are too rich to care, or smart enough to evade the theft, it is the poorest of the poor who is affected the most, who can afford it the least, and who can do the least to stand up for themselves.

Bad governance aside, our recent downgrade to junk status is just a symptom of a deeper problem and one that, by simply paying attention to the things we've become blind to, it is perhaps no surprise.

Where do we start to address the many things that are wrong?

"Moenie steel nie". How can we expect those in government to not steal, if the "prized" and supposedly accountable, publically traded corporations, whose finances and everything is open to pubic scrutiny, that give us some of our most valuable services, are seen to stealing every day?

Where do we start - if these organizations are seen to be stealing every day to such an extent that it has become the new default and that we are so used to it we hardly even notice it?

I have a very simple proposal.

While it may seem pointless, it's important to me to start here.

We start a movement, and a campaign, that makes 100% beyond a doubt sure, that all the founders, chairs, boards, CEO's, know exactly the many ways in which they are taking without asking.

We put it to them in a non-agressive, non-accusing, friendly tone - what they need to do to make things right.

(Perhaps even tickle their imaginations with video ads - imagine someone having just lost the 20% of their monthly income they loaded as airtime... and then the network operator appearing as a person, and apologizing, and giving them back their money. Perhaps even saying sorry...)

You may think that this is a waste of time, or that they surely know... but what if?

What if they really don't know? Yes, surely a lot of people in the organization knows. But what if people with influence, and part of the original founding groups, really don't? What if they just think that they have good management that is doing a really good job, and that the public really is unthankful?

How many of the top guys actually use their bottom-end products themselves?

Even the good, non-self-righteous ones - what if they really really believe that the public is just unthankful for their services, not realizing how engrained a culture of taking without asking has become in their organizations and in those of their peers - and that they are all just doing what they can to keep up - everyone is stealing so they need to steal too to stay competitive, before something is stolen from them... because they need a short term return and they don't trust that the public will push back hard enough on their stealing peers?

What if we can just find one influential person capable of influencing one large corporation, to not hide behind legal-speak or fine print, and to stand for what is right and to make an effort to ask for consent before taking money?

This, in my opinion, is the right place and way to start. The message is simple enough, and if put in a calm, clear and palatable tone, perhaps it will be heard and can become part of the change that we want to see in the world.

Do you know any of these higher ups?

Will you ask them, sincerely and unaccusing, if they realize that their companies and services are taking without asking?


Will you ask them if they are willing to accept the help of people who can help their organizations use informed consent as the basis for doing business?

Will you ask them if they can create space in their companies for help to put in place systems and processes that will seek consent before taking money?

Will you ask them if they will explore and consider ways in which they can make their terms clearer and lighten the burden of their products and services on even those who are least informed, most marginalized and most economically excluded?

Will you ask them to consider committing to get to a point where they can commit to a time and date at which they will be able to commit to certain minimum standards for informed consent in dealing with their customers?

The thing is - we have many legal codes and standards that companies have to comply to - and most if not all do - the problem is that there are as many loop-holes that are exploited - and if a layperson on the street feels like they have been cheated or stolen from, regardless of whether these codes have been adhered to - they have probably been wronged.

We have a consumer protection act that provides some avenue for compensation - but it's the equivalent of asking for forgiveness rather than asking for permission, and it's not a default, just an avenue for someone with more time than money to pursue.

Is informed consent not a cornerstone of our civilization? If it isn't, shouldn't it be? And if it should, where do we start?

Are you the founder or owner of a company?

Have you figured out how valuable managing expectations is - and why? Do you take more than your customers expect to pay?
Do you explain why? Do you ask before you do?

Do you really think that sending a bill and then haggling about it, is the same as explaining and then asking?

How did you feel the first time that this happened to you?

How often does it happen?

Where do we start to stop this?

Are you ready to help?

Can you see this being part of the change that we need to see in the world?
OK
 

PsyWulf

Executive Member
Joined
Nov 22, 2006
Messages
8,329
#9
Dear everyone,stop taking my money for stuff,or at least ask me before taking it

Cool
 
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