Help with my first attempt at buying a Car with finance

[SauRoNZA]

ok then but now it would seem I can't find any in Cape town that isn't driven into the ground and I just can't deal with a high km car even a honda

For the kind of money you want to spend high mileage is going to be the order of the day.

Also define your idea of “high”. In that price range anything 200k and under is to be expected.

Also how do you know it’s driven into the ground? Purely looking at mileage?

I’d take a well looked after car with 250k on the clock over one with 100k that was pulled through someone arse.

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Also don’t get too stuck into buying cars in Cape Town.

There are often great deals to be had up north and cars sell for far less and getting one down here really isn’t a big problem and makes for a nice little outing.

 

[saor]

If reliability is your thing, you can NEVER go wrong with a Toyota or a Honda. They're designed to run forever, and are two of the most popular brands for that reason alone. As far as maintenance goes, parts for the former are cheap as chips and available everywhere.

Ja, I've currently got a Renault and it's a bit of a pain getting spares. Broken windscreen with my old Golf: replaced the next day. Renault: 2 week wait. Same story now with gearbox and even things like shocks: Parts don't seem as readily available. I'm also thinking of my next car being a VW, toyota etc.

 

[Jack10210]

The concept of parts being expensive is a weird one that only applies if you need them all to time.

People love to say a VW CitiGolf is cheap to run because the parts are cheap, but they break down all the ****ing time so it’s not really cheap at all then is it?

A Honda Jazz never dies and therefore doesn’t need parts and even when it does they are unreasonable.

You won’t be using a dealership, which is where it can be expensive as is the case for all of them.

ok then but at the moment I can only find Jazzs with 138k kms and more in my price rand and isn't that high or am I mistaken

 

[SauRoNZA]

ok then but at the moment I can only find Jazzs with 138k kms and more in my price rand and isn't that high or am I mistaken

Many people will call that high when looking at five year old cars and much higher pricing.

For the kind of value and age you are looking for let’s assume 10 years old that’s 13,8k a year.

A service a year at 15,000km is pretty reasonable and also much preferred over an annual service just for the sake of time.

My mother has a Jazz with 220,000km on the clock from 2006 and not a major issue throughout its life. It had a recall or two over that time and a gearbox oil flush (CVT) early in its life that was off book but hardly a major expense.

So no for the price/age I don’t think 138,000km is unreasonable and you are unlikely to run into major issues assuming that everything was done by the book and services weren’t skipped etc.

2009 Honda Jazz 1.5i Ex A/t

2009 Honda Jazz 1.5i Ex A/t

Used Honda Jazz 1.5i Ex A/t for sale in Western Cape, car manufactured in 2009 (ID:6296732)

www.cars.co.za

2009 Honda Jazz 1.5i Ex

2009 Honda Jazz 1.5i Ex

Used Honda Jazz 1.5i Ex for sale in Western Cape, car manufactured in 2009 (ID:6604874)

www.cars.co.za

Direct from dealer the one which should give some peace of mind.

 

[Jack10210]

For the kind of money you want to spend high mileage is going to be the order of the day.

Also define your idea of “high”. In that price range anything 200k and under is to be expected.

Also how do you know it’s driven into the ground? Purely looking at mileage?

I’d take a well looked after car with 250k on the clock over one with 100k that was pulled through someone arse.

****

Also don’t get too stuck into buying cars in Cape Town.

There are often great deals to be had up north and cars sell for far less and getting one down here really isn’t a big problem and makes for a nice little outing

I have been burnt in the past trying to buy something online that I could not see in person and I don't fancy going to another province to look at a car that looks great on Pics but turns out to be a dud at least in the City I live I can have a quick look in person at different cars and still be back home in time for supper without costing me hundreds or thousands in airplane tickets

 

[SauRoNZA]

I have been burnt in the past trying to buy something online that I could not see in person and I don't fancy going to another province to look at a car that looks great on Pics but turns out to be a dud at least in the City I live I can have a quick look in person at different cars and still be back home in time for supper without costing me hundreds or thousands in airplane tickets

Plane tickets aren’t that expensive mate.

But yes it does require a bit more leg work and research but often the deal makes it more than worth it.

Bought my last bike in Nelspruit when considering all extras and things cost me basically 60k less than buying it new and it only had 600km on so was basically still that.

 

[saor]

Plane tickets aren’t that expensive mate.

But yes it does require a bit more leg work and research but often the deal makes it more than worth it.

Bought my last bike in Nelspruit when considering all extras and things cost me basically 60k less than buying it new and it only had 600km on so was basically still that.

Aren't they real cheap like R1500 return at the moment or something? If it's a R20 000 + saving on a car it seems kinda worth it. Can even do the return and fly back up again to drive down later. Not sure I'd be up for all that mission tho .

 

[scudsucker]

One more piece of advice: do your negotiating towards the end of the month. The salesman needs to make his quota for the month - that puts you in a stronger position.

 

[Jack10210]

Many people will call that high when looking at five year old cars and much higher pricing.

For the kind of value and age you are looking for let’s assume 10 years old that’s 13,8k a year.

A service a year at 15,000km is pretty reasonable and also much preferred over an annual service just for the sake of time.

My mother has a Jazz with 220,000km on the clock from 2006 and not a major issue throughout its life. It had a recall or two over that time and a gearbox oil flush (CVT) early in its life that was off book but hardly a major expense.

So no for the price/age I don’t think 138,000km is unreasonable and you are unlikely to run into major issues assuming that everything was done by the book and services weren’t skipped etc.

2009 Honda Jazz 1.5i Ex A/t

2009 Honda Jazz 1.5i Ex A/t

Used Honda Jazz 1.5i Ex A/t for sale in Western Cape, car manufactured in 2009 (ID:6296732)

www.cars.co.za

2009 Honda Jazz 1.5i Ex

2009 Honda Jazz 1.5i Ex

Used Honda Jazz 1.5i Ex for sale in Western Cape, car manufactured in 2009 (ID:6604874)

www.cars.co.za

Direct from dealer the one which should give some peace of mind.

If I were to go for those two i will only have weeks to buy them as 2009 is at the very limit I can buy a car on finance unless I am mistaken so for the moment I am mostly looking for cars in the 2010s

 

[TheChamp]

The concept of parts being expensive is a weird one that only applies if you need them all to time.

People love to say a VW CitiGolf is cheap to run because the parts are cheap, but they break down all the ****ing time so it’s not really cheap at all then is it?

A Honda Jazz never dies and therefore doesn’t need parts and even when it does they are unreasonable.

You won’t be using a dealership, which is where it can be expensive as is the case for all of them.

I beg to differ, Honda really goes out of their way to make your life as miserable as possible when it comes to repair time. I appreciate the Honda reliability but they really are a nightmare when it comes to parts, it's like they want to punish you for the whole trouble free kilometers you enjoyed.

Did you know that they don't sell CV joints separately for a Jazz? For some inexplicable reason you have to buy the whole shaft, last time I checked it was over R3000 for a side shaff, you can buy 8 CV joints for a regular hatchback for that. Wear and tear items are also expensive, and you don't just walk into your nearest spare shop and come out with a Honda part.

The point you are making about Golf's breaking all the time is due to the abundance of aftermarket parts some which are of dodgy quality. Hopefully someone who owns a Jazz or any other Honda will chip in with their experiences.

 

[TheChamp]

ok then but at the moment I can only find Jazzs with 138k kms and more in my price rand and isn't that high or am I mistaken

If it was serviced properly a Jazz in that mileage range is still in mint condition. Pity you are financing because the first generation Jazz is a beast that never does, I think it's the best Jazz they ever made looking at the mediocrity they followed with.

Not too easy on the eye unfortunately since it looks like some MPV of sorts.

 

[Aghori]

Here is my recommendation:

Used 2011 Honda Jazz 1.5 for Sale - 141 000 km

Used 2011 Honda Jazz 1.5 for sale in Centurion with 141 000 km for R102,900 - ref:1894203

www.autodealer.co.za

It's R105 900 but you can haggle and get it lower than 100k for sure. It's a buyers market.

I have the exact same model and my vehicle has 251 000km on the clock - reliable, smooth and just a solid car if you service it yearly.

 

[Jack10210]

Here is my recommendation:

Used 2011 Honda Jazz 1.5 for Sale - 141 000 km

Used 2011 Honda Jazz 1.5 for sale in Centurion with 141 000 km for R102,900 - ref:1894203

www.autodealer.co.za

It's R105 900 but you can haggle and get it lower than 100k for sure. It's a buyers market.

I have the exact same model and my vehicle has 251 000km on the clock - reliable, smooth and just a solid car if you service it yearly.

Yeah I just checked on webuycars for that one and it has issues and it is in a different province so no thanks that is why I don't feel confortable buying from Webuycars as it is a place that will buy any car and make you fix all the issues

 

[Jack10210]

also I tried webuycars don't haggle they see it it as being cheap enough already

 

[Jack10210]

If it was serviced properly a Jazz in that mileage range is still in mint condition. Pity you are financing because the first generation Jazz is a beast that never does, I think it's the best Jazz they ever made looking at the mediocrity they followed with.

Not too easy on the eye unfortunately since it looks like some MPV of sorts.

I would love to have one of does Jazzs but I don't have the cash to buy one of does any time soon

 

[SauRoNZA]

One more piece of advice: do your negotiating towards the end of the month. The salesman needs to make his quota for the month - that puts you in a stronger position.

And December is the best time of year for this because they want to sell the cars before they are one year older on paper and they need to bargain down even more.

 

[SauRoNZA]

If I were to go for those two i will only have weeks to buy them as 2009 is at the very limit I can buy a car on finance unless I am mistaken so for the moment I am mostly looking for cars in the 2010s

I don’t see the problem?

You can go buy them tomorrow.

Cut off is a bit different when buying via dealer as I recall.

 

[SauRoNZA]

I beg to differ, Honda really goes out of their way to make your life as miserable as possible when it comes to repair time. I appreciate the Honda reliability but they really are a nightmare when it comes to parts, it's like they want to punish you for the whole trouble free kilometers you enjoyed.

Did you know that they don't sell CV joints separately for a Jazz? For some inexplicable reason you have to buy the whole shaft, last time I checked it was over R3000 for a side shaff, you can buy 8 CV joints for a regular hatchback for that. Wear and tear items are also expensive, and you don't just walk into your nearest spare shop and come out with a Honda part.

The point you are making about Golf's breaking all the time is due to the abundance of aftermarket parts some which are of dodgy quality. Hopefully someone who owns a Jazz or any other Honda will chip in with their experiences.

I have virtually owned a Jazz since 2006 for my parents.

I also know 3 other Jazz owners very closely who come to me first for car advice.

And I know one other who just bought a brand new one this year, but that doesn’t count yet.

Needless to say the expensive parts story isn’t a concern. Over their lifetimes these cars more than pay for themselves.

I just wouldn’t advise doing brakes at the dealer; but that is a universal statement across the board generally.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Yeah I just checked on webuycars for that one and it has issues and it is in a different province so no thanks that is why I don't feel confortable buying from Webuycars as it is a place that will buy any car and make you fix all the issues

That report in my mind would be a very good reason to buy from WeBuyCars because you know exactly what you are getting.

They are being quite up front about everything, which is rare in this industry.

 

[Rocket-Boy]

I do like the Sandero but I am unsure of it since it is a Renault but what would you say of a model that is 5 years old and has 48k is good or should I just avoid it all together

I have had enough of those are rentals to know they are horrible cars. There is no way I would buy one.