High court to rule on public protector's 'whitewashed' Estina dairy report

IdlePhaedrus

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Famous last words....
Quite. Given this it is pretty clear she lied to the highest court in the land. If that doesn't earn her orange overalls nothing will. This woman has been a blight to the office of the PP since the start, especially after Thuli, who was actually the first really effective PP.

Previous ones were pretty naf too to be honest. Thuli was really quite special, took the ANC by surprise, and we are unlikely to see the likes of her again with the ANC in charge. They won't repeat that mistake. Appointment of deputy PP a few weeks ago a case in point...
 

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Why is it only leaked now?
Expect level of intimidation in the PP's office became quite intense after she took office. It will be quite interesting to see if the outgoing PP has anything to say after he leaves the post, but not expecting miracles.

It would appear the whistle-blower is even now suspended and going through disciplinary proceedings.

What really annoys me is why the ANC constantly deploys cadres that have to be given "the benefit of the doubt" instead of "the best person for the job". Their whole "eye of the needle" thing, ja well no fine. Their idea of a needle is a bit different from mine. An elephant could walk through theirs, seven abreast.
 

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Ramaphosa can't support the whistle blower as Ace is implicated. Ace is too powerful and is the head of the Zuma faction in government. He has support of EFF as well making him very powerful

Ramaphosa knows if he goes after the PP the ANC can fracture. Doesn't matter how corrupt she is.
 

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Ramaphosa can't support the whistle blower as Ace is implicated. Ace is too powerful and is the head of the Zuma faction in government. He has support of EFF as well making him very powerful

Ramaphosa knows if he goes after the PP the ANC can fracture. Doesn't matter how corrupt she is.
He's going after her (through the courts as that's his option. Only parliament can remove her). He's obviously forgotten the implications you refer to in your post.
 

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Ramaphosa can't support the whistle blower as Ace is implicated. Ace is too powerful and is the head of the Zuma faction in government. He has support of EFF as well making him very powerful

Ramaphosa knows if he goes after the PP the ANC can fracture. Doesn't matter how corrupt she is.
Supposed he wanted to support this whistle blower, what exactly is he supposed to do as a President? And do you think it would be proper for a President who just happens to have the findings of the PP against him to be "supporting" this whistle blower?
 

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He's going after her (through the courts as that's his option. Only parliament can remove her). He's obviously forgotten the implications you refer to in your post.
The DA is going after her. Ramaphosa is just staying quiet so long but even that action he is getting a lot of heat from the Zuma faction.

Please explain when you say "He's going after her (through the courts as that's his option."
 

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The DA is going after her. Ramaphosa is just staying quiet so long but even that action he is getting a lot of heat from the Zuma faction.

Please explain when you say "He's going after her (through the courts as that's his option."
What other options does he have?
 

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What other options does he have?
how about uphold his oath he took when he got sworn in as president of the country?

What is the political repercussion thinking, rather than uphold his oath, shows we are in the middle of faction wars. You are the president. You are supposed to run the economy to grow not run it into the ground with inaction because you worry about stepping on some toes.
 

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The DA is going after her. Ramaphosa is just staying quiet so long but even that action he is getting a lot of heat from the Zuma faction.

Please explain when you say "He's going after her (through the courts as that's his option."
He can't unilaterally remove her. There are guidelines. And he'll create a political storm if he's seen to be actively pursuing her.
 

thechamp

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how about uphold his oath he took when he got sworn in as president of the country?

What is the political repercussion thinking, rather than uphold his oath, shows we are in the middle of faction wars. You are the president. You are supposed to run the economy to grow not run it into the ground with inaction because you worry about stepping on some toes.
I am sorry but you are talking rubbish. Have you heard of something called seperation of powers?
 

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I am sorry but you are talking rubbish. Have you heard of something called seperation of powers?
Yes, but how has that played out in recent history. In theory it exists, but no matter how well implemented or noble, it does not matter to this opposition.
 

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Yes, but how has that played out in recent history. In theory it exists, but no matter how well implemented or noble, it does not matter to this opposition.
I hope that does not imply that you expect Ramaphosa to stoop down to Zuma's level of doing things.

A President, especially one that has findings of the PP against him should should be very careful of how he handles such matters, handling them wrong is what brings about the constitutional crisis we saw during Zuma’s time. He is behaving exactly how he is expected to behave, respect the PP and the office she represents, regardless of what he thinks of the person of Mkhwebane.

Handle all disagreements in a dignified and constitutional manner, as he is currently doing by taking the findings on review. Let Parliament do what they are supposed to do and what is expected of it.
 

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I hope that does not imply that you expect Ramaphosa to stoop down to Zuma's level of doing things.

A President, especially one that has findings of the PP against him should should be very careful of how he handles such matters, handling them wrong is what brings about the constitutional crisis we saw during Zuma’s time. He is behaving exactly how he is expected to behave, respect the PP and the office she represents, regardless of what he thinks of the person of Mkhwebane.

Handle all disagreements in a dignified and constitutional manner, as he is currently doing by taking the findings on review. Let Parliament do what they are supposed to do and what is expected of it.
I was referring about the ability to use the separation of powers. In theory good, in practice not so much. You illustrate why.
 

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I was referring about the ability to use the separation of powers. In theory good, in practice not so much. You illustrate why.
Okay, We are doing well so far in terms of respecting the constitution as well as the executive respecting the other arms of state, I would very much like things to remain that way.
 
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