High-End i7 3930K 32GB Ram GTX670 4GB

[androidnewbie]

Hi all

I need a supplier in the Randburg/Sandton/surrounding areas familiar with HIGH-END specs that could also make suggestions and recommendations. Although these specs are pretty much it, this is a high end business pc for 3D graphics:

i7 3930K CPU
Corsair H80i Liquid Cooler
Asus P9X79 Mobo
Corsair Vengeance 32GB RAM Kit (4X8GB) - NOT low profile
GTX 670 4GB (please also quote on 2GB version)
Corsair 850W PSU
1 X DVD/R/RW Drive
Windows 8 Pro 64bit
No keayboard,mouse, monitor

I havent made my mind up yet on the HDD, but leaning towards WD Raptor 10 000RPM. I had issues with 2X Kingston SSD 128GB in Raid0. Suggestions? It will just be for OS and programs so 500GB or 1TB should be fine. I'll be saving my work on my fileserver.
Also the case? Because of the heatsinks on the RAM, the CPU cooling is a bit of an issue. The H100 needs a more expensive case to fit the 2 X 120mm fans side by side on the RAD, but the H80i has the 2 fans back to back and could possibly give issues to installation between top of case and GPU. Suggestions?
Maybe one of these:
Corsair Carbide 500R Black?
CoolerMaster Big Tower Trooper?
I don't need or want a case that looks like a spaceship with millions of LED's or clear side cover. Something square and sleek is ideal.

 

[Rickster]

GeForce products are mainly designed for games, rather look into Nvidia Quadro that are optimised for 3D rendering but they are quite expensive.

What is your budget for the GPU alone? Then i can list a price.

 

[androidnewbie]

GeForce products are mainly designed for games, rather look into Nvidia Quadro that are optimised for 3D rendering but they are quite expensive.

What is your budget for the GPU alone? Then i can list a price.

Yes I know this. For my purposes the GTX will do just fine. I'm not paying 25K for a Quardo 5000 when a 5K GTX670 will match and even outperform it for what I'm using it for. I won't mind the new Titan 6GB, but again I dont have 15K just for a GPU

Also the Quadro 5000 only has 352 Cuda Cores, while the GTX has 1344

 

[Rickster]

Yes I know this. For my purposes the GTX will do just fine. I'm not paying 25K for a Quardo 5000 when a 5K GTX670 will match and even outperform it for what I'm using it for. I won't mind the new Titan 6GB, but again I dont have 15K just for a GPU

What program are you using, Autodesk 3DS MAX, Maxon Cinema 4D,Autocad?

 

[androidnewbie]

What program are you using, Autodesk 3DS MAX, Maxon Cinema 4D,Autocad?

Mostly max, but also others. Viewport performance suck in max since its only single threaded and there's not much advantage of getting a Quadro. Max 2014 launch is around the corner and finally they switched from DirectX9 viewports to DirectX11 compatibility. But its more than just viewport performance. I need a good balance between viewport performance and GPU rendering. I would get the GTX 580 3GB, but they'r as scarse as chicken teeth now. SO next best thing around same price is the GTX670

For the price of that Quadro I'd rather get a 2nd 3930K as a render node

 

[Keeper]

GeForce products are mainly designed for games, rather look into Nvidia Quadro that are optimised for 3D rendering but they are quite expensive.

What is your budget for the GPU alone? Then i can list a price.

+1

Getting a gaming card for a "high end" business 3D system is like getting a George Foreman Grill for a McDonalds.
They aren't that expensive, especially when considering he's shelling out for 32GB corsair RAM and that mobo & cpu.

 

[androidnewbie]

+1

Getting a gaming card for a "high end" business 3D system is like getting a George Foreman Grill for a McDonalds.
They aren't that expensive, especially when considering he's shelling out for 32GB corsair RAM and that mobo & cpu.

I'm sure you guys know your hardware, as do I. I can however asure you that the GTX will kick the quadros ass when it comes to GPU rendering. As mentioned, the GTX has WAY more CUDA cores than the Quadro (which is essential for GPU rendering) and also it has a higher clock speed. PLUS it has more RAM which means I can render much larger scenes with more polys with the GTX and the Quadro would have fallen over long before that.

 

[Rickster]

Yes rather get the GTX670 the setup looks good,here are some PC's which almost match your specs.

Do you really need 32GB of RAM? Won't 16GB be enough?

Also IMO i would stick with windows 7 rather than 8.

And the HDD's buy 1 SSD OCZ Vertex 4 256gb and dont use them in RAID.

The Corsair Carbide 500R Black looks like it will support all your specs unless you buy one of those pre-built PC's from that website.

 

[androidnewbie]

Money on a Quadro is much better spent on a 2nd pc with a 3930 as a render node

 

[androidnewbie]

Do you really need 32GB of RAM? Won't 16GB be enough?
And the HDD's buy 1 SSD OCZ Vertex 4 256gb and dont use them in RAID.

Actually I would go 64GB, but I dont have the extra cash now. Will upgrade to another 32GB later. For my needs, LOTS of RAM is essential. Certain calculations can literally mean the difference between hours per frame. That over an animation and those hours per frame adds up very quickly (1 second animation = 25 frames)

Thanks for the suggestion on the HDD, will look into it.
Also thanks for the suggestion on the supplier Evetech

 

[Rickster]

+1

Getting a gaming card for a "high end" business 3D system is like getting a George Foreman Grill for a McDonalds.
They aren't that expensive, especially when considering he's shelling out for 32GB corsair RAM and that mobo & cpu.

We are right by saying Geforce cards arnt as good as Quadro's for his situation. But if you look at this way:

Cheapest Quadro (2000) R6,069 (1GB GDDR5,128bit,transfer rate: 41.6gb/sec)

GTX670 R6,312 (4GB GDDR5,384Bit,,transfer rate: 192.2gb/sec)

So getting the GTX670 will be better.

 

[Keeper]

Render time schmender time...what you need is something fast when you WORK, not render.

Rather get this instead of that Gaming 3D Card
http://www.pricecheck.co.za/offers/34077127/HP+NVIDIA+Quadro+4000/

Rather only get 16GB of ram (perhaps also a cheaper brand), and *slightly* cheaper PSU/mobo/cpu to get you the extra cash for a proper 3D card.
(You can always get more RAM later on, and it should be cheaper, too)

Seriously, why spend close to 10k on the RAM, CPU & mobo alone when your primary focus should be to get a proper workstation 3d card, not a fancy mobo or 32 gigs of corsair RAM.

 

[Rickster]

If he was on an unlimited budget I would definitely suggest the Quadro 6000 (R50,991)


Also...loose the water cooling thats only for overclocking...trust me.

 

[Keeper]

We are right by saying Geforce cards arnt as good as Quadro's for his situation. But if you look at this way:

Cheapest Quadro (2000) R6,069 (1GB GDDR5,128bit,transfer rate: 41.6gb/sec)

GTX670 R6,312 (4GB GDDR5,384Bit,,transfer rate: 192.2gb/sec)

So getting the GTX670 will be better.

Dude he's R3700 shy from getting the Quadro 4000 mate... Id rather scale down the namebrand corsair ram and fancy mobo and 850W corsair PSU to do it.

 

[Rickster]

Dude he's R3700 shy from getting the Quadro 4000 mate... Id rather scale down the namebrand corsair ram and fancy mobo and 850W corsair PSU to do it.

Yes he can loose the mobo because the Asus P9X79 has 8 RAM slots and he only needs 4, that Corsair Vengeance/Dominator (I would rather go with this) is essential for his work and you wouldnt want a cheapy PSU for this build as the PC will be constantly stressed.

And that Quadro 4000 (256bit 2Gb GDDR5) :erm: Kinda sucks

 

[Keeper]

I didn't say he should get a cheapy PSU... just, that he doesn't really need a 850 watt Corsair PSU.
620W or so should be fine imo, especially since he won't be using many HDDs. (im just suggesting where he can save here and there....)

32GBs of Corsair Vengeance branded RAM is also a little :erm:


If you want a 3D workstation, you shouldn't focus on fancy ram/psu/mobo and gaming cards... you should focus on getting the best 3d workstation you can afford.
it's not only about cuda cores, it's about drivers and other architectures as well.

But hey, if you want to render fumeFx particles on the latest gtx card, go ahead

 

[Keeper]

instead of buying 32GB of Corsair RAM for R3,063 rather buy 2 x 8GB of G.Skill Ares RAM for R1072

They are both 1600 MHz.
You can always upgrade in the future if 16GB "just aint cutting it" anymore.

There... just saved the OP R2000 that can go towards more bang for buck items like SSD/GFX...
but hey, I guess he's just going to tell me how he will "feel" the difference of that vengeance ram

 

[Rickster]

I didn't say he should get a cheapy PSU... just, that he doesn't really need a 850 watt Corsair PSU.
620W or so should be fine imo, especially since he won't be using many HDDs. (im just suggesting where he can save here and there....)

32GBs of Corsair Vengeance branded RAM is also a little :erm:


If you want a 3D workstation, you shouldn't focus on fancy ram/psu/mobo and gaming cards... you should focus on getting the best 3d workstation you can afford.

Should he trash the I7 and go for a Xeon?

Also Dominator is better than Vengeance.

 

[Keeper]

No, He shouldn't worry about Xeons and he should worry about Vengeance RAM, never mind a set of bladdy Corsair Dominators.

My point is to stay away from all that stuff.
You want a 3D workstation, you have 1 job to do - get a workstation card... the best you can afford.

Yep, that cheapo Quadro 600 that costs R1950 is kicking the OP's choice GTX 670 4GB (overclocked to 1250MHz) square in the teeth

[video=youtube;kl4yNCgD3iA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl4yNCgD3iA[/video]


Now that you have that wrapped around your head, the OP can get the even more powerful friggen Quadro 4000 if he just assigns more money to gfx instead of namebrand RAM.
Like I said, he can save R2000 alone by simply going 16GB of 1600Mhz G.Skill RAM instead of 32GB of 1600Mhz Corsair RAM, and he can still upgrade to 32GB's later if he so chooses.
If he simply does that he's a measly 900 bucks short from the Quadro 4000...

On paper the Quadro 600 is surely not a card capable for high computation performance. Unlike the top 3 Quadro cards of its generation (4000, 5000 & 6000)

The little Quadro offers considerable performance gains over the much more powerful GTX 670 on most engines included in Viewperf 11. In many cases, the performance advantage is two or even threefold that of the GTX 670 SC, which retails nearly three times more than the Quadro 600

Maya 2012 offers Viewport 2.0, which does support optimized instruction sets to streamline the way the program utilizes modern CPUs. The GTX 670 SC felt well, though like all gaming cards, the performance suffers a lot in wireframe and projected vertices modes, while it improves a lot when switching to shaded modes. The GTX 560Ti cannot keep up with the 670, but the perfomance difference is by no mean as pronounced as between a GeForce and even the cheapest Quadros.

Final Verdict:

I have to admit that I was positively surprised. The puny little Quadro was able to smoke one of the most powerful gaming cards in the market today in the role of a 3D CAD viewport acceleration card, proving that it can comfortably drive a couple of monitors in a dedicated CAD workstation environment. It delivers the goods while remaining a half height, single-slot card that could fit in a mATX or even mITX low profile desktop, draws less than 1/3 the power of the 670, and costs nearly that much less.
Users on a tight budget, rejoice: the nVidia Quadro 600 walks the talk pretty well for a $150 card!

http://pcfoo.com/nvidia-quadro-600/


But hey, like I said... go for a Gaming 3D Card if it makes you happy - once your 3dsmax start chugging along at 5 FPS you can at least play Battlefield 3.

 

[HApyM3al]

ok guys he asked for supplier... evetech? they really good and will deliver (very quick i might add)