Historic transfer of 132 title deeds in Stellenbosch thanks to the Municipality, Johann Rupert and the FMF

[Excalibur]

What is it you are expecting here? Are expecting the FMF to demolish 'townships' in your sense and relocate everybody to say welgelegen?

I'm expecting Apartheid spatial planning to be abolished as it's not good for the country or the economy. I'm sure there's plenty of town planning literature that can help. But just as an example, more of this is needed:

Then put a stop to it, I'm sure you will find support from the blf/eff etc.

Lol so only the BLF and EFF would love to see Apartheid reversed.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Rubbish. They've been working on this for years, in fact long before anyone gave a crap about the BLF they've been advocating for title deed transfers.

Yes, this is true, but people want this event to accommodate 'their' land activism. There will be groups claiming victory on other peoples successes. It is a shame really...

 

[ponder]

What white family has taken residence of a black family's home after they were evicted?

I'm sure there will be cases but it was mostly land. If there were dwellings on the land they were usually bulldozed, think district 6 for example.

Interesting thing I only learned the other day was that 56% of the property in district 6 was owned by whites even though they were only 1% of the population thus rental properties generating revenue. The gov bulldozed the lot, I'm wondering how/if the gov compensated them...

 

[ponder]

I'm expecting Apartheid spatial planning to be abolished as it's not good for the country or the economy.

The thing is it's there already, it's not something that's going to be fixed overnight.

Lol so only the BLF and EFF would love to see Apartheid reversed.

These are the types that start foaming at the mouth when they get a whiff of anything wmc related and start stirring schit.
so let's stop handing out title deeds as it's bad in your opinion.
the politicians get to rage about wmc and perpetuation of apartheid.
wmc gets put in it's place
the current leaseholders remain leaseholders not being able to leverage the property and maybe one day the gov will get round to moving them to nice area so they have a nice dream to cling to.

Sounds awesome to me, make it so...

 

[Stokstert]

Thank you very much WMC.

 

[MrGray]

I'm expecting Apartheid spatial planning to be abolished as it's not good for the country or the economy. I'm sure there's plenty of town planning literature that can help.

It's not "Apartheid spatial planning" when anyone who has the money is free to buy property wherever they want - it is more like socioeconomic spatial planning, which is just the way the world works in reality when you realise that money doesn't fall out of the sky and it's not all rainbows and unicorns.

 

[TheChamp]

It can be seen that way or as entrenching Apartheid Spatial planning that was meant to disadvantage the majority economically and socially.

If we take the position that this is entrenching Apartheid Spatial planning we will soon have a problem looking at how the ANC has been dishing out title deeds since the beginning of democracy. It would mean the great liberation movement is guilty of entrenching Apartheid Spatial planning, we can't have that.

Let's take this in good spirit, I am sure the new owners are happy, who are we to judge?

 

[Excalibur]

What is it you are expecting here? Are expecting the FMF to demolish 'townships' in your sense and relocate everybody to say welgelegen?

I'm expecting Apartheid spatial planning to be abolished as it's not good for the country or the economy. I'm sure there's plenty of town planning literature that can help. But just as an example, read here for what was needed:

Brett Herron says there is a group of white elites in the DA in City Cape Town'

Former DA Mayco member Brett Herron and DA Director of Governance Strategy Claire Price debate the state of housing in CT.

www.702.co.za

 

[Fulcrum29]

I'm expecting Apartheid spatial planning to be abolished as it's not good for the country or the economy. I'm sure there's plenty of town planning literature that can help. But just as an example, read here for what was needed:

Brett Herron says there is a group of white elites in the DA in City Cape Town'

Former DA Mayco member Brett Herron and DA Director of Governance Strategy Claire Price debate the state of housing in CT.

www.702.co.za

Just like there are black diamonds within the ANC?

He shouldn't speak about them as the 'cabal', these white elitists. I have always had an issue with CoCT's business relations. Herron is also shooting too early, de Lille also partook, whilst in the DA, in these relations and I wouldn't be surprised that Herron is also in the circle. Who knows who the GOOD buddies are?

They do love their construction buddies. Do note, they aren't all white.

But hey... where is the evidence?

 

[konfab]

So this would be similar to say I'm a resident of an area in Pretoria, the government kicks me out of my house and dumps me in Mamelodi because I'm black, gives my house to a white family. Later I'm given a title deed for the Mamelodi house and the white family gets to keep my house in the suburb.

This scenario actually happened to many people (minus the title deed part) and the victims and beneficiaries are still in the same areas.

You would have had since 1994 to lodge a land claim for that piece of property. If it was successful, you could have received cash compensation for said property in today's money.

That unfortunately would only have applied to a minority of black people since the population growth has been exponential. Which explains the situation we are in right now.

This is why doing something like getting title deeds for the places where they live now is ok.

The "remedy" that the ANC/EFF/UDM/AGANG lobotomites are proposing will consist of the following: A white family who bought their house in 2009, paying all legal fees and taxes imposed by the current government will have their property expropriated without compensation and left on the street to fend for themselves, the house will then go to the 2nd cousin of ANC branch leader's wife who is already living in a larny part of town. Whilst the poor will simply sit in their shacks waiting for WAKANDA to happen like it is happening in Zimbabwe.

 

[konfab]

I'm expecting Apartheid spatial planning to be abolished as it's not good for the country or the economy. I'm sure there's plenty of town planning literature that can help. But just as an example, read here for what was needed:

And what do you do to people who don't want to move according to the new planner's ideas? Force them out?

The national government could actually get rid of the planing part by simplifying the zoning laws and making it easier for people to subdivide their properties. Liberalising the property zoning laws would reduce the prices of property drastically.

 

[surface]

I'm expecting Apartheid spatial planning to be abolished as it's not good for the country or the economy. I'm sure there's plenty of town planning literature that can help. But just as an example, read here for what was needed:

It is too late for that. All around midrand, huge tracts of land is already being sold to developers. I am sure this is applicable across the country. I think Perth is likely to benefit from sale of all this land. As it will be realized later, TRC amnesty was the worst conceived idea.

 

[EADC]

It is too late for that. All around midrand, huge tracts of land is already being sold to developers. I am sure this is applicable across the country. I think Perth is likely to benefit from sale of all this land. As it will be realized later, TRC amnesty was the worst conceived idea.

 

[rietrot]

So this would be similar to say I'm a resident of an area in Pretoria, the government kicks me out of my house and dumps me in Mamelodi because I'm black, gives my house to a white family. Later I'm given a title deed for the Mamelodi house and the white family gets to keep my house in the suburb.

This scenario actually happened to many people (minus the title deed part) and the victims and beneficiaries are still in the same areas.

Wtf are you on about dude?

 

[rietrot]

It is too late for that. All around midrand, huge tracts of land is already being sold to developers. I am sure this is applicable across the country. I think Perth is likely to benefit from sale of all this land. As it will be realized later, TRC amnesty was the worst conceived idea.

Because a developer putting up propper houses is worse than a comunity of people moving in with shacks without the propper infrastructure like roads and sewage?

 

[access]

So formalizing the effects of the Group Areas Act then?

no that would be ramaphosa, delivering radical economic transformation. taking peoples title deeds from them. he signed it into law just the other day.

here now,

we have white monopoly capital giving people their title deeds.


let me spell it out for you in a way you can graps.

the white leader is helping the previously disadvantaged.

the black leader is not.