Holy crap! Caps are flying and I ain't doing all that much extreme stuff...

[matt loves telkom]

New Zealand has caps too... but around 200 Gig on average.

THATS scary.... i promise even if i had a 10mbit line i would not be able to use that amount in a month.yes i know Torrents are lekker and all but after awhile what else can you download.and if you could download that much when the hell do you have time to burn and organize the tons you download.

Ive had 384 for a month now and im so unorganized its crazy.my folders are messy as im always surfing and downloading.id be doomed if i had uncapped

 

[Ekhaatvensters]

If you have a broadband connection and find 3gig more than adequate you don't need broadband IMO. What people do with their accounts is their business and nobody has to feel required to explain why we need cheaper bandwidth in the country. Even if you download only 1Meg a month, know that you are paying 10 times more for it than people in most countries elsewhere...

To make things worse, there are peeps overseas who can use as much as they want, which effectively brings their cost per meg closer to nothing the more videos they watch, or the more online radio they listen or whatever the heck they find their connection able and willing for...

Nobody has the right to intrude your privacy by asking you what you do that requires so much. NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS! That is the right answer IMO.

The real question is, why can't we get high cap or uncapped services affordable in this country if other folks around the globe can? Are we so hapless? I refuse to believe we are! In fact I know we aren't! We are held back by a lack of competition in the market! I as the consumer have no obligation to tell anybody what I do with my broadband.


I want more! I want it cheaper! Finish and KLAAR!

I understand man, like I said its competition thats the problem. Telkom run a home DSL service, adn to be honest I think it is pretty much in line with a crappy 3rd world ome DSL type service, you can get a 10gig account for R500 or uncapped 384 for R800, which isnt that bad (for what im talking about)

But im not saying you should have to tel people what you are downloading or give a reason for wanting uncapped, it is obvious. Im just trying to give Telkom's perspective to help some people along.. because alot of people here just blindly bash things and go mad over the cap. But Telkom have thier lame reason for it, and we have to live with that untill we have competition, THAT is the thing that holds us back from being like the rest of the world.

 

[Ekhaatvensters]

THATS scary.... i promise even if i had a 10mbit line i would not be able to use that amount in a month.yes i know Torrents are lekker and all but after awhile what else can you download.and if you could download that much when the hell do you have time to burn and organize the tons you download.

Ive had 384 for a month now and im so unorganized its crazy.my folders are messy as im always surfing and downloading.id be doomed if i had uncapped

No I think he's just sucking that out of his thumb.. There is no point in a 200 gig + cap.. it can just be uncapped then.

They have like 40 gig and up cap I would guess. I know Australia has caps too, and ive seen some coutry with 3 gig caps as well.. felt so homely.

 

[eremos]

Im just trying to give Telkom's perspective to help some people along..

Telkom doesn't have a leg to stand on as far as I'm concerned. It's shameless profiteering and there's no excuse for what they're doing to the economy.

 

[pupa]

THATS scary.... i promise even if i had a 10mbit line i would not be able to use that amount in a month.yes i know Torrents are lekker and all but after awhile what else can you download.and if you could download that much when the hell do you have time to burn and organize the tons you download.

Ive had 384 for a month now and im so unorganized its crazy.my folders are messy as im always surfing and downloading.id be doomed if i had uncapped

Streaming video, streaming radio, streaming free to "Internet" TV, Video trailers, online music samples, Online pic's. Have some young kids? See how a cap goes through the roof. Then exclude from that the engineering software and updating! Just because some do not use the Internet for anything else but ans extension for 24/7 e-mail it means that people do not need more bandwidth. That is what Telkom and Icassa brainwashed you with! Once there is no more cap then all the other uses of the Internet will come to fore. Like Telkoms so called triple play. Just another scam to make money out of the uninformed

 

[kilo39]

F#k telscums perspective - what a bunch of lamers... Ja like the average business must get by on 3 gigs a month - or don't download any legal video (and maybe get an education) - or play anything online (including music or radio) - basically - don't even surf heavily - or get regular large emails - umm - for what do we have broadband - for what are we paying 400% more - for what - is the internet for... duh, let's go back to ascii text.

 

[bullfrog]

I would see that reason for 3gb accounts as a cover up, only to give them a reason for such a small cap. The real reason is that they are a bunch of money grabbing biatches who want to make as much money as possible. They pay next to nothing for something and sell it at hugely inflated prices.

 

[Brenden_E]

No porn I'm afraid. I somehow think I might be better off had I done the porn thing. I wasted 2 3gig accounts and nearly done with another 5 gigs of prepaid bandwidth. That is a total of 11gigs down the drain at a cost in the vicinity of R1000 on top of my line rental at Telkom... This is plunder, 3rd world style!

In Argentina you can get 5Mbps uncapped for around R400 per month. I ask you with tears in my navy blue eyes, when will our government wake the **** up! Don't give me the population density crap either! We have a much higher population density than they have!

Honestly though - was this for business or, erm, pleasure
Cause if it's for personal use, I think you might want to look into the news server and a 30GB IS account. Good for warez, and the odd video, if you know what I mean

 

[Ekhaatvensters]

Telkom doesn't have a leg to stand on as far as I'm concerned. It's shameless profiteering and there's no excuse for what they're doing to the economy.

I know, of course they dont. That is what I said myself.

But they have a little justification for thier caps. And it isnt too far from the truth, because most people in SA dont use much more than 3 gigs unless they download from P2P or torrents etc.. Now I know alot of people especially here can easily get over 3 gigs (or 30) with legal things, but it is mostly specialised type stuff, or just things that the average home user that Telkom market their product too, just dont do.

So thats it, thats Telkoms side, I obviously dont agree okay.

 

[Ekhaatvensters]

F#k telscums perspective - what a bunch of lamers... Ja like the average business must get by on 3 gigs a month - or don't download any legal video (and maybe get an education) - or play anything online (including music or radio) - basically - don't even surf heavily - or get regular large emails - umm - for what do we have broadband - for what are we paying 400% more - for what - is the internet for... duh, let's go back to ascii text.

Okay business is an exception, its crazy that they class they together with home users on the cap.

But the rest is a bit of crap dude, i get regular email with attachments, probably more than the avergae user. And I stream a bit of video, and downoad some too. I also game eveyday, or someone in the house does, and I download alot of music, its what most of my cap goes to. If I was streaming all of that it would be hours and hours of listening. And then a education.. you just ran out of stuff to say or what

And with 3 gigs you really can browse pretty heavily, I mean you try and browse for 3 gigs youd be working damn hard at browsing for a very long time.

I agree on the whole cap thing like ive said three times now, but your just over doing it here. 3 gigs is actually almost enough for a average home user, actually it is enough for a home user who doesnt download much..

btw, 3 gigs isnt really a limit of ADSL anymore, id assume most users buy another gig or tow at R70 or so extra per gig.

 

[eremos]

I know, of course they dont. That is what I said myself.

But they have a little justification for thier caps. And it isnt too far from the truth, because most people in SA dont use much more than 3 gigs unless they download from P2P or torrents etc.. Now I know alot of people especially here can easily get over 3 gigs (or 30) with legal things, but it is mostly specialised type stuff, or just things that the average home user that Telkom market their product too, just dont do.

So thats it, thats Telkoms side, I obviously dont agree okay.

I know technically we agree on this, but you're still making excuses for them! The facts you mention are anything but justification. They're a baseless excuse.

I see what you mean, but just because most people only drive down the shop and back twice a day doesn't mean gas tanks should be shrunk to 5l and sold for 4 times the price of a regular tank.

 

[bullfrog]

I know someone who I would call an average user who can also go over her 3gb. She is fairly computer literate, can use a pc, just not very technical etc. Typical lady who needs your help for a lot of the newer things with computers. She run a bed and breakfast here in hermanus and communicates via email, recieves the odd funny video clip and funnies. 3gb is not enough for her. She can stay within the limits of 3gb for some months but on others she get's capped. Now the only reason that she stays within those limits is because she knows that they are in place. If they weren't she would be happy to download what she feels like and enjoy her internet to the full extent. Why should she be limited after paying too much because telkom thinks it knows best. That is not what Telkom believes, they know that users need more and they know that its not in line with other countries... that is what they want users to believe and is a way that they try to justify the cap.

Now Telkom does also advertise their adsl for business on their site, surely they should have larger caps for businesses? So I think saying that telkom only caters for home users is not true.

Rofl another car analogy, hey acctaully this ones quite accurate!

I can game for a few hours a day and use 300mb/day gaming, sorry I'm not gonna make it on a 3gb cap

 

[Highflyer_GP]

like I've been saying, its simply because most people just dont do any of those things that would use much than 3 gigs a month. So if you were a company, like Apple using your example, and about 80-90% of Ipod buyers only ever used a 512MB Ipod, why would you give everyone 30gig Ipods just becasue some people need them or want them, an most of the stuf will be illegal anyway. It would lose Telkom more money to give everyone uncapped or higher cap accoutns when most people still only use their 3 gigs or so and a few download all day.

Firstly they cannot lose money on something that isn't used. If everybody had 30GB accounts and 80% of those users used 3GB, Telkom aren't losing money on an unused 27GB because no data transfer took place. On the contrary you're reinforcing their idea to charge us a 30Gb price for a 3GB account.

Secondly who's to tell people what to do with a product once they purchase it? How would you know whether these people browse and email because that's their online habits, or if they do it because of the 3GB restriction? What if people WANT to explore other areas of the internet but can't because of bandwidth restrictions? What if they grow fond of sites like youtube and myspace? What if they want to purchase software online? What if they're interested in online share trading? Gaming? etc etc. Should the 3GB argument still hold?

The point being it's unfair to label the majority of people as browsers and emailers - most do that because they are limited in their applications and not because that's what they would predominantly want to do.

 

[Ekhaatvensters]

Firstly they cannot lose money on something that isn't used. If everybody had 30GB accounts and 80% of those users used 3GB, Telkom aren't losing money on an unused 27GB because no data transfer took place. On the contrary you're reinforcing their idea to charge us a 30Gb price for a 3GB account.

But they are losing money on everyone else who rapes all 30 gigs every month, and that is why they dont have uncapped. They only provide as much as they need to, or possibly less, for their market.
They know that if they had 30 gig accounts instead of 3 gig accounts all that would change is that the high usage types would use all 30 gigs and the rest would be the same, now why would you want to do that as a company?

Secondly who's to tell people what to do with a product once they purchase it? How would you know whether these people browse and email because that's their online habits, or if they do it because of the 3GB restriction? What if people WANT to explore other areas of the internet but can't because of bandwidth restrictions? What if they grow fond of sites like youtube and myspace? What if they want to purchase software online? What if they're interested in online share trading? Gaming? etc etc. Should the 3GB argument still hold?

That would be true is everyone was just not using 3 gigs, but they arent, thousands of the home user types dont even get to their 3 gigs, they use 1 maby two, thats how everyone else on Telkom ISP can get 10 gigs or more out of their account, there are alot of peopel using much less than 3 gigs to make up such a big pool of bandwidth for everyone else.

The point being it's unfair to label the majority of people as browsers and emailers - most do that because they are limited in their applications and not because that's what they would predominantly want to do.

It is probably unfair to about half of the people, maby less than that. But the rest that are probably in the majority are people who simply only use email and browsing an dsome light downloading because they just dont know about the other stuff or dont use it. They are older people who buy CD's and DVD's and dont collect that type of stuff on the internet, so they never download those types of things and then their browsing just doesnt use up 3 gigs...

Look I dont know anymore, *****.. I also hate Telkom, id die for uncapped and better speeds etc etc, I just thought id say that Telkoms 3 gig plan was more determined by a user base that doesnt really use much more than that (in the beggining more so) on average than simlpy by them saying we arent going to give them bandwidth because we just hate the internet and downloaders. Now that combined with some good old monopoly business practices and they safely lock every one up behind 3 gigs, simply becasue it makes a hell of a lot more profit for them.

 

[Ekhaatvensters]

I see what you mean, but just because most people only drive down the shop and back twice a day doesn't mean gas tanks should be shrunk to 5l and sold for 4 times the price of a regular tank.

Okay, let me do this once more, then telkom can rot in h3ll again.

Actualy, If everyone just drove to the shop twice a day, why as a car manufacturer would you not just make smaller tanks? (obviously not the charging 4x the price, but that im not fighting about, the prices are terrible)
Smaller tanks mean you sell it for less, of course less being proportionately much more that a "uncapped" tank and you make more money out of it as it now become a scarce recourse for those who want more. They have to now pay insane amounts of money for more usage.. and you make more money.

urg.. how iddi this rubbish start now anyway:/

 

[eremos]

I just thought id say that Telkoms 3 gig plan was more determined by a user base that doesnt really use much more than that

Good call. The upshot of this of course is that we're not going to get 90% of users to care based on the cap. Attention needs to be brought to the fact that we're paying 10 times what we should be (compared to international markets).

 

[eremos]

Okay, let me do this once more, then telkom can rot in h3ll again.

Actualy, If everyone just drove to the shop twice a day, why as a car manufacturer would you not just make smaller tanks? (obviously not the charging 4x the price, but that im not fighting about, the prices are terrible)
Smaller tanks mean you sell it for less, of course less being proportionately much more that a "uncapped" tank and you make more money out of it as it now become a scarce recourse for those who want more. They have to now pay insane amounts of money for more usage.. and you make more money.

urg.. how iddi this rubbish start now anyway:/

Hehe, analogies only go so far. I see what you're talking about though.

 

[antowan]

I understand man, like I said its competition thats the problem. Telkom run a home DSL service, adn to be honest I think it is pretty much in line with a crappy 3rd world ome DSL type service, you can get a 10gig account for R500 or uncapped 384 for R800, which isnt that bad (for what im talking about)

But im not saying you should have to tel people what you are downloading or give a reason for wanting uncapped, it is obvious. Im just trying to give Telkom's perspective to help some people along.. because alot of people here just blindly bash things and go mad over the cap. But Telkom have thier lame reason for it, and we have to live with that untill we have competition, THAT is the thing that holds us back from being like the rest of the world.

Telkom isn't making caps tiny and bandwidth expensive because people don't want or need it. Consumer needs has nothing to do with it. Telkom is doing it because it is allowed to and because it knows if it tightens the belt just enough the folks who really do want more (and there are more of them than you think) will pay for it.

Had Telkom gotten proper competition a couple of years ago the pricing would be less than half of what it is now. Of that I am sure.

TELKOM is trying to avoid losing cash to IP driven voice solutions. Its main cash cow is analogue voice. Why give people high bit caps at an affordable price when you know it will negatively impact on your per minute/second billed analogue voice business?

The whole Telkom saga boils down to its profits and government protecting it! The only thing that will make Telkom abandon this extremely hurtful (for the country) practice is competition...

 

[Freaksta]

w0000t r u mad 7 accounts :/

 

[tardomatic]

My 2 cents

I have a 3GB account, and I hardly ever use P2P software (ok, missed an episode of prison break, had to get it) but other than that my downloads go over 3GB by a large margin every month.

What do I download? Well, there was the F.E.A.R 1.07 patch wieghing in at 460MB, Battlefield 2 1.4 update, Guild wars updates each time i play, the bandwidth i use for games online (probably 8 hours a week). Then, theres Pandora (www.pandora.com) i listen to it while i'm working. Then, drivers. Nvidia drivers weighing in at 40MB, XFi drivers 50MB, keyboard drivers 50MB. then, work related stuff. New version of Python. SQL Express 2005 Service Pack 1 (270MB).

Then theres various other things... Blender, wallpapers, the girlfriend and her countless hours on myspace...

all adds up, and nothing illegal...

If the cap could be 10GB for the price of 3, I'd be very happy