Home Affairs spent over R40m on flights to deport illegal immigrants

[Zoomzoom]

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Wealthy taking money out will have negative impact but that is not happening here. People are fleeing the country because of genocide and their land /flats are being equally distributed among anc nec.

what planet are you on?

 

[surface]

what planet are you on?

Same as yours. What I mentioned above is my impression from many threads here.

 

[The Free Radical]

Besides the obvious financial difference - what is the difference between someone fleeing SA for better pastures elsewhere and someone coming to South Africa from the sh--tshow that is the rest of Africa for the exact same reason?

The difference is "DOCUMENTED MIGRATION" and fulfilling qualifying pre-authorizing criteria take up residence on a legal basis. People leaving our shores have to obtain the necessary paperwork and approval to migrate abroad, especially to developed nations, whereas our porous borders and lack of immigration enforcement allows many people from the rest of Africa to arrive and stay without these pre-qualifying criteria and enforcement of the law.

 

[Zoomzoom]

The difference is "DOCUMENTED MIGRATION" and fulfilling qualifying pre-authorizing criteria take up residence on a legal basis.

people fleeing war, genocide and environmental disaster often don't have the luxury. Ditto for the poor. And I'd rather have the guy who had the gumption to walk here than the guy who paid his way into somewhere.

 

[The Free Radical]

people fleeing war, genocide and environmental disaster often don't have the luxury. Ditto for the poor. And I'd rather have the guy who had the gumption to walk here than the guy who paid his way into somewhere.

So, you happy to fill the country with people, who by majority, will be legally unemployable and be a drain on the fiscus (tax payers), than someone with means to sustain their own living and who add value to the country in terms of financial and high educational (skills) investment?

Most poor people from other nations north of our border add little / no value to South Africa. We already have massive unemployment rate which is a huge drain of the fuscus (taxpayer) through our social security net.

Sorry, charity begins at home!

Equally, refugees are supposed to be taken in by their nearest neighbouring state at peace, and not a country a few countries away. The refugee thing in SA has been abused mostly by economic migrants who not only add little / no value, but steal value from our needy citizens who should be first in line for better opportunities.

I'm glad Ramaphosa's government are moving towards building a metaphorical wall (by aggressively deporting illegal aliens and ramping up border security).

 

[Urist]

Could've used that money to build a giant trebuchet.

 

[Tokolotshe]

You don't think for one minute that the wealthy taking their money out have more negative impact on the economy than a poor person coming here? Especially as said poor person generally works their butt off and contributes to the economy on an ongoing and increasing basis?

Work out the maths if you can - rich person fleeing takes all their assets out diminishing the economy of SA by several million rands - poor person arrives, starts work, starts a small business, contributing their labour and income to the economy which increases year after year as they grow and thrive here? Who is having what impact?

I have 0.0 problem with normal people coming here, trying their level best to earn an honest day's bread, perhaps even get wealthy. Even applying for citizenship. But there are ways to do it, not slip across the border.

What we can conveniently forget is the one guy getting into the country with not so noble intentions, ending up here playing the system to get his buddies in. Think of teh little grains of rice on a checker board. 1 grain, 2 grains, 4 grains 8 grains ... you get the picture. These are the guys that are part of major crime syndicates. They cost our economy a lot, also you and me. These syndicates defraud local businesses, target our business partners abroad* from here, end up selling drugs to our kids and like ... it goes on and on. If think of crime syndicates, we tend to think of something mafia-like. Africa has it's own crowd, anthign from drugs, cyber crime to human trafficking. They quickly negate any benefit the bulk of the other people arriving on our shores/airports can bring not only to our country but also, but to themselves. A lot of this badness goes unchecked.

I know for a fact that not all the costs of deportation is only for our authorities, the US has been funding quite a bit in extraditions. (Watch this space)

 

[Tokolotshe]

Could've used that money to build a giant trebuchet.

Hmmm, possibilities here.

 

[grok]

Save the money by sending our locals to bliksem them xenophobia style until they either
1) go back of their own free will (and cost)
2) have their governments arrange emergency flight flights for them (at their cost)

Tadaa! Plenty much more money to fill up that troughs.. oink oink!

(and the locals got their violins so by now they would be the opposite of restless)

 

[Zoomzoom]

I have 0.0 problem with normal people coming here, trying their level best to earn an honest day's bread, perhaps even get wealthy. Even applying for citizenship. But there are ways to do it, not slip across the border.

What we can conveniently forget is the one guy getting into the country with not so noble intentions, ending up here playing the system to get his buddies in. Think of teh little grains of rice on a checker board. 1 grain, 2 grains, 4 grains 8 grains ... you get the picture. These are the guys that are part of major crime syndicates. They cost our economy a lot, also you and me. These syndicates defraud local businesses, target our business partners abroad* from here, end up selling drugs to our kids and like ... it goes on and on. If think of crime syndicates, we tend to think of something mafia-like. Africa has it's own crowd, anthign from drugs, cyber crime to human trafficking. They quickly negate any benefit the bulk of the other people arriving on our shores/airports can bring not only to our country but also, but to themselves. A lot of this badness goes unchecked.

I know for a fact that not all the costs of deportation is only for our authorities, the US has been funding quite a bit in extraditions. (Watch this space)

All Mexicans are criminals thinking? Ok sure I know that there are plenty Nigerian Drug Lords - but those guys did not come here illegally. They are all legally papered up and fly in and out with their riches.

And explain to me nicely how a person who is here illegally takes one damn red cent from anyone? They can't access any kind of social grants or other government aid which is the only way they are taking anything. As for jobs - free market ... if the lazy local f---ckers were prepared to work for the same wages they would have the jobs, but all they do is bitch and riot when not handed out freebies on a plate.

 

[ISP cash cow]

people fleeing war, genocide and environmental disaster often don't have the luxury. Ditto for the poor. And I'd rather have the guy who had the gumption to walk here than the guy who paid his way into somewhere.

That would be a person who could claim refugee status based on those assumptions above, and therefore they would be protected as an asylum seeker. It would have nothing to do with illegal immigrants.

Illegal immigrants are people who have entered into our country through nefarious means, They have not entered legally to be documented.

If they truly wanted to make there lives better here they should enter legally through the right channels, and not start off by coming into their new country by illegal means.

 

[Flanders]

By plane??? Charter a fleet of bloody Putco buses!

Eg-fukking-zactly!

 

[AstroTurf]

Build a wall, make Zimbabwe or someone pay.

 

[ForceFate]

By plane??? Charter a fleet of bloody Putco buses!

To Nigeria? How many escort cars are you going to need?

 

[Mystic Twilight]

Build a wall, make Zimbabwe or someone pay.

Why bother, just ask them to protect from themselves.

 

[Flanders]

To Nigeria? How many escort cars are you going to need?

Who said Nigeria? North of the Limpopo or Orange river will do.

 

[TysonRoux]

 

[Tokolotshe]

And explain to me nicely how a person who is here illegally takes one damn red cent from anyone? They can't access any kind of social grants or other government aid which is the only way they are taking anything. As for jobs - free market ... if the lazy local f---ckers were prepared to work for the same wages they would have the jobs, but all they do is bitch and riot when not handed out freebies on a plate.

If you stop to think for one minute about what I'm saying, you'll see I'm not arguing with you. But by the same token I'm not drinking the SJW self serving narrative, we have a problem with Mexicans in South Africa? Well I never! Reboot yourself - comprehension failure ...

I have 0.0 problem with normal people

(incidentally - you're now 100% on my terrain)

Since you ask so nicely, if you have no supporting infrastructure to get you into South Africa, or you can't use your real name because you have a criminal record:

Get into South Africa, not matter how. Get R5500 together, go to Braamfontein JHB. There are plenty of little shops that make sure you have a nice shiny new legal South Africa ID (thanks to friends at home affairs), water and lights accounts, payslips etc, enough to even open up a bank account legally. WHy, for a few rand more you even get specific numbers eople can phone that will give you a glowing review.

Why, if Jean had dug a bit deeper into Elvis Gosife, he would have uncovered a real story. Fake news is a story?

Fwiw, Elvis was a member and still is right here on MyBB. Our helpful members even helped him find out what to do with all his eBucks he stole in phishing campaigns. Elvis is one of many ...

 

[ShaunSA]

And explain to me nicely how a person who is here illegally takes one damn red cent from anyone? They can't access any kind of social grants or other government aid which is the only way they are taking anything.

 

[Knyro]

Build a wall, make Zimbabwe or someone pay.

I'm not seeing the problem here. MyBB told me Zimbabweans are educated and hard-working unlike "lazy locals". Surely the more the merrier then?