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Sign up with GoogleHome made music CD's could be outlawed
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Will The RIAA Target Homemade CDs?
Phil Gallo, Variety.com, 08.15.05, 12:18 PM ET
NEW YORK - The digital equivalent of homemade tapes are the next target of the Recording Industry Association of America.
After asserting that the RIAA's educational and lawsuit strategies were working to stall the illegal downloading of music, the organization's president and chief executive Mitch Bainwol told music retailers Friday that burning and ripping is a greater threat to the industry.
Speaking at the National Association of Record Merchandisers convention in San Diego, Bainwol said 12% of all households are burning CDs and 17% are burning more than ten CDs per month.
Ripping is the process by which a computer user imports music files from a CD to a computer. Burning is the process of moving those files to a new blank CD.
He cited data from the New York-based market research group NPD that stated more than 7 million 50 Cent songs have been burned this year. Mariah Carey, the Beatles, Green Day, Metallica, the Game and Eminem have each had more than 2 million of their songs burned.
The RIAA does not object to burning for personal uses, but Bainwol emphasized products and services as a potential defense. He touted kiosks that allow users to make custom mix CDs in stores: copy-protected CDs and DualDiscs, which offer consumers a DVD/CD package that cannot be reproduced.
He pushed for better standardization among disk makers and for all participants in the selling of music to continue "the message war."
"We need to demonstrate adaptability to move the debate beyond issues of 'models' to the core questions of property and right versus wrong," Bainwol noted in his presentation.
The RIAA has lamented the decline in CD sales by blaming file-sharing networks and other methods of illegal downloading. In 2003, Bainwol also laid some of the blame at the feet of Internet Service Providers like Verizon Communications (nyse: VZ - news - people ) and SBC (nyse: SBC - news - people ), which he said are in a "unique position to educate their customers about the myriad of threats…posed by using file-sharing networks but "they have chosen instead to do nothing to educate or warn subscribers."
Phil Gallo, Variety.com, 08.15.05, 12:18 PM ET
NEW YORK - The digital equivalent of homemade tapes are the next target of the Recording Industry Association of America.
After asserting that the RIAA's educational and lawsuit strategies were working to stall the illegal downloading of music, the organization's president and chief executive Mitch Bainwol told music retailers Friday that burning and ripping is a greater threat to the industry.
Speaking at the National Association of Record Merchandisers convention in San Diego, Bainwol said 12% of all households are burning CDs and 17% are burning more than ten CDs per month.
Ripping is the process by which a computer user imports music files from a CD to a computer. Burning is the process of moving those files to a new blank CD.
He cited data from the New York-based market research group NPD that stated more than 7 million 50 Cent songs have been burned this year. Mariah Carey, the Beatles, Green Day, Metallica, the Game and Eminem have each had more than 2 million of their songs burned.
The RIAA does not object to burning for personal uses, but Bainwol emphasized products and services as a potential defense. He touted kiosks that allow users to make custom mix CDs in stores: copy-protected CDs and DualDiscs, which offer consumers a DVD/CD package that cannot be reproduced.
He pushed for better standardization among disk makers and for all participants in the selling of music to continue "the message war."
"We need to demonstrate adaptability to move the debate beyond issues of 'models' to the core questions of property and right versus wrong," Bainwol noted in his presentation.
The RIAA has lamented the decline in CD sales by blaming file-sharing networks and other methods of illegal downloading. In 2003, Bainwol also laid some of the blame at the feet of Internet Service Providers like Verizon Communications (nyse: VZ - news - people ) and SBC (nyse: SBC - news - people ), which he said are in a "unique position to educate their customers about the myriad of threats…posed by using file-sharing networks but "they have chosen instead to do nothing to educate or warn subscribers."
Bwaaahahahahahahahaha.
These organisations are such a bunch of Wankers.
Lets see what they are doing for the music industry.
Um -
- getting filthy rich from other people's talent.
- providing overpriced recording facilities, which are quickly becoming useless cos of the PC.
That's it. They don't even print, nor distribute cd's themselves. Concerts are organised by companies that are outsourced to the record companies.
i.e. Record Companies are agents and don't need to exist in the way that they do. They are supposed to introduce new talent to the world, then dissapear.
The nice little world they've built for themselves for doing nothing is starting to fall apart, and they're fighting hand tooth and nail.
ROFL.
Well - if they want to control what I put onto a blank cd, then I want to be able to purchase a CD with 0 crap songs on it, SIMPLE.
These organisations are such a bunch of Wankers.
Lets see what they are doing for the music industry.
Um -
- getting filthy rich from other people's talent.
- providing overpriced recording facilities, which are quickly becoming useless cos of the PC.
That's it. They don't even print, nor distribute cd's themselves. Concerts are organised by companies that are outsourced to the record companies.
i.e. Record Companies are agents and don't need to exist in the way that they do. They are supposed to introduce new talent to the world, then dissapear.
The nice little world they've built for themselves for doing nothing is starting to fall apart, and they're fighting hand tooth and nail.
ROFL.
Well - if they want to control what I put onto a blank cd, then I want to be able to purchase a CD with 0 crap songs on it, SIMPLE.
They are fighting a losing battle. It's like when they tried to ban VCR's when they were being sold because of fears that movies were going to be pirated. They lost that case and they will lose again.
I think the future will be artists creating website's to download from and billing people for that what they want. The recording studio's are dying slowly but surely.
I think the future will be artists creating website's to download from and billing people for that what they want. The recording studio's are dying slowly but surely.
Yep, these guys are dinosaurs on their way out, giving their last futile roar as they sink into the muck.
The distribution revolution that the internet provides is unstoppable. When law-abiding citizens - the kind of person who drives 60 in a 60 zone - are downloading mp3 files and not even considering it as being wrong, it shows that it's a cultural thing.
My parents used to tape their friends records and so we did the same. The internet has made that easier. It's cultural because it's just what people do - they copy and collect.
The culture has shifted somewhat - the younger generation are no longer interested in the "collecting mentality" that older people were involved with. Massive record collections later followed by massive CD collections - yes, they managed to get people to buy all the same stuff again on a different format.
The idea of a tactile media source to collect and shelve seems to be going the way of the dodo, as the older people who used to collect, for the most part, no longer bother. They just download like everyone else, buying the occassional CD.
RIAA simply cannot convince me or anyone else that downloading a few albums of the internet is theft, when it's clear to anyone with a brain that they are thieves. When you find out just how little the manufacturing costs of a CD are, how little the artist gets and how much the record companies get - oh boy, it's filthy !
These are the same guys, who not so long ago, ripped their artists of for millions by signing them, unwittingly, into financially cripling deals.
They are cold hearted rutheless greedy businessmen - I say, F@CK UM !
If you like the music an artist makes, buy it directly from them.
I can't wait to see that as the model which is adopted - to totally cut the record companies out of the deal. That day is coming soon and RIAA are running scared.
The distribution revolution that the internet provides is unstoppable. When law-abiding citizens - the kind of person who drives 60 in a 60 zone - are downloading mp3 files and not even considering it as being wrong, it shows that it's a cultural thing.
My parents used to tape their friends records and so we did the same. The internet has made that easier. It's cultural because it's just what people do - they copy and collect.
The culture has shifted somewhat - the younger generation are no longer interested in the "collecting mentality" that older people were involved with. Massive record collections later followed by massive CD collections - yes, they managed to get people to buy all the same stuff again on a different format.
The idea of a tactile media source to collect and shelve seems to be going the way of the dodo, as the older people who used to collect, for the most part, no longer bother. They just download like everyone else, buying the occassional CD.
RIAA simply cannot convince me or anyone else that downloading a few albums of the internet is theft, when it's clear to anyone with a brain that they are thieves. When you find out just how little the manufacturing costs of a CD are, how little the artist gets and how much the record companies get - oh boy, it's filthy !
These are the same guys, who not so long ago, ripped their artists of for millions by signing them, unwittingly, into financially cripling deals.
They are cold hearted rutheless greedy businessmen - I say, F@CK UM !
If you like the music an artist makes, buy it directly from them.
I can't wait to see that as the model which is adopted - to totally cut the record companies out of the deal. That day is coming soon and RIAA are running scared.
The benefit that all consumers who value quality will get is that all the crap songs will instantly be consigned to the dustbin of history and the good will live on.
I mean seriously, If anybody ever sees me download 50 cent please shoot me, repeatedly, in the head.
I mean seriously, If anybody ever sees me download 50 cent please shoot me, repeatedly, in the head.
antowan
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They need to adapt to new technology. If people prefer the web, then you have a wonderful opportunity as a record company. NO MORE PACKAGING! Hell, what a saving!
Now we just pop up the song on our high bandwidth server and charge a minimal fee and still make a killing! Savings to us, savings to the customer and a broader customer base that can enjoy the music!
When will these turds realise this????!!!!!??!!!
NEWSFLASH!!!! JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY DOWNLOADS YOUR SONG, DOESN'T MEAN THEY WOULD HAVE BAUGHT IT!!!!!!
Now we just pop up the song on our high bandwidth server and charge a minimal fee and still make a killing! Savings to us, savings to the customer and a broader customer base that can enjoy the music!
When will these turds realise this????!!!!!??!!!
NEWSFLASH!!!! JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY DOWNLOADS YOUR SONG, DOESN'T MEAN THEY WOULD HAVE BAUGHT IT!!!!!!
Spamtheman
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I love the way they calculate "losses" every time someone downloads a cd they view that as a lost sale, if I had to pay for every song I've downloaded I would have a lot less music on my pc, hell I probably on listen to maybe 20% of it at the most.
AntiThesis
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If anyone here is a Southpark fan, they'll know what I'm talking about... I feel absolutely nothing about:
- Poor Britney who can only afford the Learjet model 4
- Sad little Puff Daddy who can't have his gold bar with diamond studs this month
- Unfortunate Ozzy who can't have new diamond encrusted collars for his dogs until next week...
They can take it right in the ear...
- Poor Britney who can only afford the Learjet model 4
- Sad little Puff Daddy who can't have his gold bar with diamond studs this month
- Unfortunate Ozzy who can't have new diamond encrusted collars for his dogs until next week...
They can take it right in the ear...
I look forward to the day when record companies fold and recording artists release everything independantly, online.
If I could download music for a reasonable price, knowing that money would go directly to the artist (rather than some faceless corporation exploiting artists), I wouldn't hesitate. Would be way more convenient that illegal downloads or missioning off to buy a cd, rip it, put it on my mp3 player and never look at it again.
If I could download music for a reasonable price, knowing that money would go directly to the artist (rather than some faceless corporation exploiting artists), I wouldn't hesitate. Would be way more convenient that illegal downloads or missioning off to buy a cd, rip it, put it on my mp3 player and never look at it again.