Hong Kong extradition protests leave city in shock

pug306

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Huh ? Hong Kong was a full blown British colony. It was transfered over to China in 1997 as part of a new treaty. Up until then it was not property of China at all even though China wanted to claim it for many many years since signing the original rights away to the British Empire after the British claimed it for themself.

"Britain occupied the island of Hong Kong on 25 January 1841 and used it as a military staging point. China was defeated and was forced to cede Hong Kong to Britain in the Treaty of Nanking signed on 29 August 1842. Hong Kong became a Crown Colony of the British Empire."

So the real outrage from Hong Kong should have come in 1997 yet they were Oh so happy to part ways with the British Empire. Now they are in for a future of real hurt brought to you by the Chinese, I shed no tears for them.
You misread the history of HK. The city of Hong Kong comprises of three regions: the small Hong Kong Island, the Kowloon Pensinula and the much bigger New Territories. Only the HK Island is signed over to the British Empire in perpetuity. Kowloon and New Territories are leased for 99 years. So the British had to return those 2 regions back to China in 1997. The tiny HK island itself is too small and insufficient, in terms of resources and infrastructures, to become independent.

Before China's economic boom, Native HK peoples thought they were the elites and mainland Chinese were poor and uncivilised. Mainland Chinese speaks Mandarin. Hong Kong people speaks Cantonese, which is a dialect of the Chinese language, but not the same. So peoples from HK never wanted to be part of China because of cultural and other differences.
 

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You misread the history of HK. The city of Hong Kong comprises of three regions: the small Hong Kong Island, the Kowloon Pensinula and the much bigger New Territories. Only the HK Island is signed over to the British Empire in perpetuity. Kowloon and New Territories are leased for 99 years. So the British had to return those 2 regions back to China in 1997. The tiny HK island itself is too small and insufficient, in terms of resources and infrastructures, to become independent.

Before China's economic boom, Native HK peoples thought they were the elites and mainland Chinese were poor and uncivilised. Mainland Chinese speaks Mandarin. Hong Kong people speaks Cantonese, which is a dialect of the Chinese language, but not the same. So peoples from HK never wanted to be part of China because of cultural and other differences.
90% of Cantonese people live on the mainland.
 

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But why don't they want to be part of a communist country?

I thought communism was loving and kind, unlike the evils of free market capitalism and individual rights.
The Chinese government isn't Communist anymore. They invented their own unique system of government
 

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90% of Cantonese people live on the mainland.
It's true. Cantonese is the regional dialect of the Chinese province of Guangdong, where HK is situated. So naturally Hong Kong natives speak the same dialect. Learning Mandarin was not compulsory in school before 1997. My dad is from HK and he can't speak Mandarin at all. He also struggles with the simplified chinese glyphs mainland Chinese uses. Taiwan and HK use the more traditional and complex Chinese characters.

Some Singaporean and some older generation of Chinese American speak Cantonese too but their culture upbringing are highly different.

Take a look at this
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-48607723

Most people in Hong Kong don't see themselves as Chinese
While most people in Hong Kong are ethnic Chinese, and although Hong Kong is part of China, a majority of people there don't identify as Chinese.

Surveys from the University of Hong Kong show that most people identify themselves as "Hong Kongers" - only 11% would call themselves "Chinese" - and 71% of people say they do not feel proud about being Chinese citizens.

The difference is particularly pronounced amongst the young.

"The younger the respondents, the less likely they feel proud of becoming a national citizen of China, and also the more negative they are toward the Central Government's policies on Hong Kong," the university's public opinion programme says.


Hong Kongers have described legal, social and cultural differences - and the fact Hong Kong was a separate colony for 150 years - as reasons for why they don't identify with their compatriots in mainland China.
 

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It's true. Cantonese is the regional dialect of the Chinese province of Guangdong, where HK is situated. So naturally Hong Kong natives speak the same dialect. Learning Mandarin was not compulsory in school before 1997. My dad is from HK and he can't speak Mandarin at all. He also struggles with the simplified chinese glyphs mainland Chinese uses. Taiwan and HK use the more traditional and complex Chinese characters.

Some Singaporean and some older generation of Chinese American speak Cantonese too but their culture upbringing are highly different.

Take a look at this
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-48607723

Most people in Hong Kong don't see themselves as Chinese
While most people in Hong Kong are ethnic Chinese, and although Hong Kong is part of China, a majority of people there don't identify as Chinese.

Surveys from the University of Hong Kong show that most people identify themselves as "Hong Kongers" - only 11% would call themselves "Chinese" - and 71% of people say they do not feel proud about being Chinese citizens.

The difference is particularly pronounced amongst the young.

"The younger the respondents, the less likely they feel proud of becoming a national citizen of China, and also the more negative they are toward the Central Government's policies on Hong Kong," the university's public opinion programme says.


Hong Kongers have described legal, social and cultural differences - and the fact Hong Kong was a separate colony for 150 years - as reasons for why they don't identify with their compatriots in mainland China.
Yeah their problem is the same problem that Tibet, Turkestan, Outer Mongolia face, the Chinese government will just send hordes and hordes of Mainlanders to settle in HK and slowly change the demographics of the territory
 

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Yeah their problem is the same problem that Tibet, Turkestan, Outer Mongolia face, the Chinese government will just send hordes and hordes of Mainlanders to settle in HK and slowly change the demographics of the territory
Yes. You are absolutely right.
HK peoples often complaint about the mainlanders go to HK to deliver their babies there, so they can get residential right. I believe currently mainlanders still have to apply for permission to travel to and stay in HK for an extended period of time.
 

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Yeah their problem is the same problem that Tibet, Turkestan, Outer Mongolia face, the Chinese government will just send hordes and hordes of Mainlanders to settle in HK and slowly change the demographics of the territory

more I think about it, China is almost as bad as Germany during Hitlers time,
soon enough they will do some invading and subjugation.
 

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it depends.

option 1: reunion with British due to violation of sino-british joint declaration.by PRC.

possibility: 60%

option 2 : reunion with POC, under protection of POC, it will be protected by US indirectly.

possibility: 50%

option 3: declare independence

possibility: < 10%

the problem is, will PRC let HK go without a fight? (even with the biggest international pressure)
I doubt it.
how i see it

China just steam rolls into HK like its nothing and pretends its in the name of piece and harmony 99.99%
UN and the rest of the world do anything to stop this 0%
Trump throws a fit and just makes the trade war worse (Gonna happen anyway)
China actually keeps to the agreement 0.01%
 

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They've done that multiple times already...
They moving into sovereign nations as well. I saw a Ross Kemp docie about Mongolian "Neo Nazi" gangs who are trying to crack down on Chinese owned businesses who hire mostly Chinese workers and buy off Mongolian Politicians for more lax labour and immigration laws for Chinese Workers.
The total population of Mongolia is only 3 Million , it's just a matter of time before China gains the new territory of Inner Mongolia
 

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Hong Kong activists arrested: Joshua Wong and others detained

Several prominent Hong Kong democracy activists have been arrested in less than 24 hours amid a police crackdown.

Joshua Wong and Agnes Chow of the political party Demosisto were arrested on Friday for illegally organising a protest, before being released on bail.

Independence campaigner Andy Chan was arrested at the airport on Thursday while trying to fly to Japan.

They are among 900 people arrested since anti-government protests began in June.

Lawmaker Cheng Chung-tai of the localist Civic Passion party was also detained, his office said. It was unclear why he was held.
 

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Hong Kong: Protesters join MeToo rally against police


Several thousand people have rallied in Hong Kong to protest against alleged sexual violence by police during the past months of demonstrations.

The rally was billed as a #MeToo event, echoing global protests to end sexual assault and harassment.

Organisers said some 30,000 people attended, while police put the figure at 11,500, local media say.

Hong Kong Police said they respected the rights of people in detention, and had not received formal complaints.

At Wednesday's rally, some attendees told the crowd they had been mistreated by police officers.
 

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Hong Kong police storm metro system after protests
Hong Kong police have violently tackled suspected protesters after thousands marched in the city in defiance of a ban.

Images show police hitting people with batons and using pepper spray on a train in Hong Kong's underground metro.

 

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This will get worse. China might have suspended the bill for now but the 1 country 2 systems agreement is ending in 2047. Exactly the authoritarian behaviour people see from the Hong Kong Police force is what the type of authoritarian rule they are protesting against.

 

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I feel for the people of Hong Kong. Now way China will back down on this, they stand to lose too much face and that is something they are terrible at. Hong Kong is only valuable for the pool of skills that reside there. If they moved away to other free neighboring countries like Singapore etc that would probably be the best option. I highly doubt they will win against the Chinese government. Also China is getting scarily authoritarian.
 

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Special Report: Hong Kong leader says she would 'quit' if she could, fears her ability to resolve crisis now 'very limited'
HONG KONG (Reuters) - Embattled Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam said she has caused “unforgivable havoc” by igniting the political crisis engulfing the city and would quit if she had a choice, according to an audio recording of remarks she made last week to a group of businesspeople.


 
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