How I invented Vodacom’s Please Call Me: Nkosana Makate

Seriously? Go troll somewhere else. I am not some typical mindless poster. My playground is the legal and ICT industries, so I do understand both issues - legal (validity of contracts, IP) and technical (the technology, it's application, the costs associated with such technologies, the potential profits, etc). I have not seen a single critical debate from you. Your posts provide zero insight. Welcome to my ignore list.



Another one who cannot see the merits of the case. I wonder if we would be seeing the same reactions if the applicant was white.

It's not envy. It's about justice. This guy is a liar, even worse than Knott-Craig. I can't stand people like this. They ride off someone else's ideas, and are always the ones to run to the courts if things don't go his way. If he truly made Vodacom billions as he claimed, do you really think they would treat him like they have?

Most replying to this issue are all about "the evil corporate vs the little guy" without understanding the underlying issues. Some also prefer to ignore the very fact that this guy didn't invent anything. Pity you don't realise that we are all the losers. His awesome payout is going to passed onto the consumers. You will retort: But I don't use Vodacom. Maybe, but most South Africans do. And good luck with Cell C and MTN. Maybe you will find value with Telkom Mobile.

Do not let bitterness get into you. Your legal "expertise" and feelings on the matter are irrelevant. People who heard both sides of the debate and have greater legal authority than you have pronounced on the matter. Yours is just an irrelevant rambling that has zero relevance in the real world. Calm down!
 
Another one who cannot see the merits of the case. I wonder if we would be seeing the same reactions if the applicant was white.

It's not envy. It's about justice. This guy is a liar, even worse than Knott-Craig. I can't stand people like this. They ride off someone else's ideas, and are always the ones to run to the courts if things don't go his way. If he truly made Vodacom billions as he claimed, do you really think they would treat him like they have?

Most replying to this issue are all about "the evil corporate vs the little guy" without understanding the underlying issues. Some also prefer to ignore the very fact that this guy didn't invent anything. Pity you don't realise that we are all the losers. His awesome payout is going to passed onto the consumers. You will retort: But I don't use Vodacom. Maybe, but most South Africans do. And good luck with Cell C and MTN. Maybe you will find value with Telkom Mobile.

Firstly, please don't refer to me as 'another one' ... You don't know me like that. Secondly, why do you have to bring race into it? And thirdly, what makes you more credible than the Constitutional Court judges who ruled in this guy's favour that Vodacom wronged him? Usually I try to avoid people like you, but I don't like my intelligence insulted... Seriously. Bringing a racial connotation to a conversation that has zilch to do with race is disingenuous...
 
Firstly, please don't refer to me as 'another one' ... You don't know me like that. Secondly, why do you have to bring race into it? And thirdly, what makes you more credible than the Constitutional Court judges who ruled in this guy's favour that Vodacom wronged him? Usually I try to avoid people like you, but I don't like my intelligence insulted... Seriously. Bringing a racial connotation to a conversation that has zilch to do with race is disingenuous...

Do you understand what the ConCourt ruled on? i.e. what was considered as part of the case and what they ruled on. Do you also understand the history of the technology and IP? If so, please can you explain why this guy deserves a massive payout. Please, I am begging someone to prove me wrong. Maybe the sense of injustice I am picking up from this whole debacle will actually be turned around.

You insulted me by assuming that it was envy driving my opinion, and not rational thought. Am I wrong?

I was just lamenting about the racial issue. Ngwe32 is extremely racial and I mainly only see him respond in such a trollish manner to racial type threads. So it's a valid question. I was not aiming that at you. So if you took offence, I do apologise.
 
Do not let bitterness get into you. Your legal "expertise" and feelings on the matter are irrelevant. People who heard both sides of the debate and have greater legal authority than you have pronounced on the matter. Yours is just an irrelevant rambling that has zero relevance in the real world. Calm down!

Firstly, please don't refer to me as 'another one' ... You don't know me like that. Secondly, why do you have to bring race into it? And thirdly, what makes you more credible than the Constitutional Court judges who ruled in this guy's favour that Vodacom wronged him? Usually I try to avoid people like you, but I don't like my intelligence insulted... Seriously. Bringing a racial connotation to a conversation that has zilch to do with race is disingenuous...

The fact that it was patented before he thought of it was not entered into evidence at the time.

However Vodacom will now hit back. The guy is a lair end of story. It's in the public domain that he IS NOT the inventor of the please call me. His and attention seeking wookie.
 
Do you understand what the ConCourt ruled on? i.e. what was considered as part of the case and what they ruled on. Do you also understand the history of the technology and IP? If so, please can you explain why this guy deserves a massive payout. Please, I am begging someone to prove me wrong. Maybe the sense of injustice I am picking up from this whole debacle will actually be turned around.

You insulted me by assuming that it was envy driving my opinion, and not rational thought. Am I wrong?

I was just lamenting about the racial issue. Ngwe32 is extremely racial and I mainly only see him respond in such a trollish manner to racial type threads. So it's a valid question. I was not aiming that at you. So if you took offence, I do apologise.

Irrelevant. The courts have pronounced on the matter and the guys is due for pay day. Everything else is noise. Vodacom had a agreement now it is time to pay up.
 
Now see that is why mybb needs to hire new journalists.

Plus 1 to you sir. Well done now we all fully grasp wtf was going on here.

MyBB isn't the only news source punting the word "invention". News24, EWN, TimesLive, check them up.
 
I'm still wondering how he got to his R10B figure. That's the 15% he's looking for; so that means he thinks Vodacom made R66B off Please Call me. That's just insane. He lost me as a supporter when he got stupid like that. It costs a fraction of a cent to put your message on please a call me.

It still costs Vodacom something to send the SMS themselves (especially if it's to another network) - I wouldn't be surprised if the service was break-even for Vodacom, and that the accountants present 15% of R0 or a very small amount as a settlement with a giant pile of supporting documentation.
 
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I'm still wondering how he got to his R10B figure. That's the 15% he's looking for; so that means he thinks Vodacom made R66B off Please Call me. That's just insane. He lost me as a supporter when he got stupid like that. It costs a fraction of a cent to put your message on please a call me.

It still costs Vodacom something to send the SMS themselves (especially if it's to another network) - I wouldn't be surprised if the service was break-even for Vodacom, and that the accountants present 15% of R0 or a very small amount as a settlement with a giant pile of supporting documentation.

He is looking at Vodacom's overall profits and wanting a percentage of that. This guy cannot be taken seriously. How Vodacom is going to negotiate against that idiocy is beyond me. Why they didn't settle years ago is also a massive oversight. But no point in crying over spilled milk.

So to calculate profits made from Please Call Me, they would have to determine the following:

  • Total seconds of calls generated from a Please Call Me since the inception of the technology.
  • Cost of sending all the Please Call Me SMS - even the ones that didn't generate any revenue.
  • Actual profit made from the call back.

To determine profits on a network that is forever changing and being invested in is going to be so tricky, it's almost impossible. How do you apportion investment between voice, data and SMS? Determining a fixed profit per second needs to be done on a monthly basis, as that profit is going to fluctuate depending on a number of factors. Some call backs could have originated from another network, thus Vodacom paying out interconnect fees.

I am sure I haven't found all the complexities. So yeah, Makate and his legal representatives can't be taken seriously imo.
 
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