How much does it cost to get a gun license

ShloshMalosh said:
Question:

both my wife and I are planning on getting competent and licenced... do we need one safe per ?

or, if we both have fire arms can they live in the same safe?

also ? from the capetonians? recommendations for safes ? https://www.thesafeshop.co.za/safes-by-type/firearm-safes
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@ShloshMalosh , not sure where you are situated, I'm guessing WC.

Firstly, I would recommend paying a little more and getting the larger safe Xpanda No.3 Burglar Resistant, obviously if you are going to reload or in the short-term get a long gun, then you might as well save up now and buy a large rifle safe.

Important to remember the RAWL (anchor) bolts supplied with the Xpanda handgun safes are NOT correct (complaint) and you would still need to get the correct washers.

Links to the larger Xpanda handgun safe.

https://www.thesafeshop.co.za/safes-by-price/up-to-2000/xpanda-burglar-resistant-sabs-safe-no3-price

https://www.makro.co.za/hardware-au...V-ON2GaCvsPxqJhsG1L0OcenJn-ltU6RoC5NQQAvD_BwE

https://www.builders.co.za/Security...GtExl8Up1PU_6vRoCET8QAvD_BwE&region_id=ZAGP00

PS: As I mentioned the fasteners supplied do not meet the requirements, they need to be M10 X 80mm RAWL (anchor) bolts, or larger, and also the washers need to be a minimum of 30mm X 3mm, they can be square and don’t have to be round necessarily.



Here is a good example of the correct fasteners, note that a Handgun (B1) safe only requires two, however, if you want to exceed the minimum requirements you can do that, by using larger bolts or washers and using four or even six to mount the safe.

https://www.takealot.com/marathon-gosa-bolts/PLID95409837
 
My_King said:
This makes sense.

Rules are there to keep everyone safe.
But it needs to apply to all. Even if you "know" everything.

But if I were to do this then I would be shouted out and kicked out:


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My does it bother me??? In a competition I have to add a second to my time to step further back to ensure the firearm points down range.
jesus help me if I rack my firearm at the back of everyone.
Yet I once went at 7PM at my place where I shoot, people racking firearms at the back of us.
But because they wear the place's hempie, nah no shouting no get out of here.

Let us also not start about finger on trigger when there is no sight target or when moving.

Been shooting since age six, with proof of my first comp being in 2002 quite a few years later. We are looking at 22+ years.
If I must remove my finger and always point down range, then everyone must.

Edit : En as ek daar was? Sodra jy begin kak maak oor die dan kom klein piel sindroom uit en jy word verbod om by die plek te skiet. Nie die maaitjie wat nie die reels volg nie.
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And we are back at it again.

Rules for thee and not for me.

Once you are instructed to make your firearm ready, muzzle needs to point down range and your chamber flag gets removed. Muzzle must always point down range.
Once your session is done, with the muzzle pointing down range, your chamber flag gets put back and only then can you point the firearm up to remove yourself from the range.

But here we go again:

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On the Safari Outdoor app...

What is my problem? If I or anyone from this thread go to the same place, I expect us to be handled the same.
No disqualification, no talked down to like we are 6 year olds, not asked to leave.

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It does not matter if it is a competition or if it just shooting for fun.
Rules should apply to everyone.

If I, someone who hates rules need to adhere to them, then people with special hempies need to adhere to it too.
 
Good old SAPS..

www.defenceweb.co.za

Majority of missing SAPS firearms not recovered - defenceWeb

Men and women in National Police Commissioner General Fannie Masemola’s SA Police Service (SAPS) reported 742 firearms stolen in the 2022/23 financial year with just a third of them – 245 – recovered. The numbers were provided in reply to Parliamentary questions posed by Democratic Alliance (DA)...
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@My_King ,

No, you are absolutely 100% correct, when it comes to range safety you have to be a safety Nazi.

It doesn’t matter if you are a world-class competitor, occasional shooter or just there for a once-off, safety rules aren’t in place only for your well-being but for all the people in the vicinity. Even world-class shooters in competition still make safety mistakes.
Participants need to be addressed then and there for whatever safety concerns, or the participant needs to be stopped immediately.

I’m speaking under correction here, but as far as I’m aware, firstly the starting position of a Rifle / PCC cannot be on your shoulder, the stock has to be touching your belt, and the muzzle, obviously :rolleyes: facing down range, or at 45 down range still.

Secondly, you cannot start with your muzzle up (in the air) that is just obvious (c'mon man! :rolleyes:).

Thirdly, you cannot start facing up range (rifle / PCC), this is allowed with handguns in a holster, but obviously, you’ll only start drawing once you’ve turned the 90.

"What I’ve mentioned above, is more aimed towards IPSC / SADPA / Steel Challenge rules, not general range rules."

As you’ve mentioned about the chamber flag, I cannot confirm it on the video, but I wonder if he (the shooter) even had the safety on when he started with the muzzle facing up.

But on a serious note, let’s say the RO isn’t familiar with any sporting disciplines, he is just a general safety RO, how can he look at those two starting positions and not just use common sense, muzzle in the air and facing up range with rifle / PCC. (c'mon man! :rolleyes:)



Talking about safety, and overall well-being, I’m sure you have seen this as well, you see the dad bring his son / daughter along, and then lets them shoot his R100K plus rifle in .308 etc but they are wearing these El Cheapo hearing protection from builders that don’t even fit them properly etc.

Anyways, to end you are 100% correct always be a safety Nazi, even if you take some flack or hate.
 
Jam Sandwich said:
Good old SAPS..

www.defenceweb.co.za

Majority of missing SAPS firearms not recovered - defenceWeb

Men and women in National Police Commissioner General Fannie Masemola’s SA Police Service (SAPS) reported 742 firearms stolen in the 2022/23 financial year with just a third of them – 245 – recovered. The numbers were provided in reply to Parliamentary questions posed by Democratic Alliance (DA)...
www.defenceweb.co.za www.defenceweb.co.za
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Remember, the SAPS's sole purpose in life, is to provide case numbers for insurance claim purposes :giggle::giggle::giggle:
 
NoStepOnSnek88 said:
@My_King ,

No, you are absolutely 100% correct, when it comes to range safety you have to be a safety Nazi.

It doesn’t matter if you are a world-class competitor, occasional shooter or just there for a once-off, safety rules aren’t in place only for your well-being but for all the people in the vicinity. Even world-class shooters in competition still make safety mistakes.
Participants need to be addressed then and there for whatever safety concerns, or the participant needs to be stopped immediately.

I’m speaking under correction here, but as far as I’m aware, firstly the starting position of a Rifle / PCC cannot be on your shoulder, the stock has to be touching your belt, and the muzzle, obviously :rolleyes: facing down range, or at 45 down range still.

Secondly, you cannot start with your muzzle up (in the air) that is just obvious (c'mon man! :rolleyes:).

Thirdly, you cannot start facing up range (rifle / PCC), this is allowed with handguns in a holster, but obviously, you’ll only start drawing once you’ve turned the 90.

"What I’ve mentioned above, is more aimed towards IPSC / SADPA / Steel Challenge rules, not general range rules."

As you’ve mentioned about the chamber flag, I cannot confirm it on the video, but I wonder if he (the shooter) even had the safety on when he started with the muzzle facing up.

But on a serious note, let’s say the RO isn’t familiar with any sporting disciplines, he is just a general safety RO, how can he look at those two starting positions and not just use common sense, muzzle in the air and facing up range with rifle / PCC. (c'mon man! :rolleyes:)



Talking about safety, and overall well-being, I’m sure you have seen this as well, you see the dad bring his son / daughter along, and then lets them shoot his R100K plus rifle in .308 etc but they are wearing these El Cheapo hearing protection from builders that don’t even fit them properly etc.

Anyways, to end you are 100% correct always be a safety Nazi, even if you take some flack or hate.
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The problem I have with all this...

If you go to the same range and do exactly the same, if and when they kick you out, I want to know why the rules apply to you and not them.
 
My_King said:
The problem I have with all this...

If you go to the same range and do exactly the same, if and when they kick you out, I want to know why the rules apply to you and not them.
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There's a slight possibility that they conduct themselves that way or have limited knowledge about rules, procedures, COF's, and safety protocols for the various disciplines they host at the range and are just "winging it". :unsure:
 
NoStepOnSnek88 said:
There's a slight possibility that they conduct themselves that way or have limited knowledge about rules, procedures, COF's, and safety protocols for the various disciplines they host at the range and are just "winging it". :unsure:
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I see you also engaged them.

Them : "Nowhere did you mention EDC"

So they telling me, I can EDC a PCC gun as long as the muzzle is pointing up and stuff.

Oh well, I will keep pointing their kak out.
 
My_King said:
I see you also engaged them.

Them : "Nowhere did you mention EDC"

So they telling me, I can EDC a PCC gun as long as the muzzle is pointing up and stuff.

Oh well, I will keep pointing their kak out.
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Just came across this.

I'm not sure if they're trying to reference this, https://edccomp.co.za/

"EDCC is a recreational shooting sport that helps participants learn and train practical, effective and realistic defensive shooting skills and techniques."

I scanned through their rule book (which is available) on the website, but didn't see any mentions of PCC's / Carbine's and starting with muzzle up or anything like that.
I'm not quite sure if they were trying to refer to this, anyways the first time I've seen this EDCC discipline.

But yes, there is no chance in hell I ever want to visit their range if that is how they "roll" :confused:


PS: "So they telling me, I can EDC a PCC gun" > "Yes of course I carry my Stoeger M3K shotgun in an ankle holster. " :p:unsure::ROFL:
 
Right so we found a high spot in the middle of a harvested corn field. Set up the caller. Assumed our positions on the back of the bakkie. With a lekker torch. And started calling. Was a blood moon last night if you can call it that.

Within 10 minutes we started seeing eyes approaching. 4 eyes on our left and 2 eyes on our right. The 2 jakkal on our left came closer and at about 50-70m I took aim, seeing fokol cause the spotlight was not on permanently. You shine on them and off and shine and off etc. Took aim in their general direction and the light came on again.

They were walking slowly and I got the front one in my sight, my friend called out to halt them, and ba-boom the front one went to sleep. Keeping quiet and scanning with the light intermittently the second one on our left came back to check on his tjommie. And I was a bit quick on the trigger and shot a flyer.

The one on our right was much more careful in approaching us. As if he was an older one with experience. He went downwind from us and tuned fsck this and gtfo there. Got another one approaching us also from downwind he kept his distance. Never came closer.

We stood there for about 40min and packed up to go look for the one I downed. What a mission to find that thing in the field even with lekker torches etc. Got in the bakkie and drove over to where They were standing when I took the shot and as we turned around we found her. She was standing quarter-facing me. The Shot landed on the shoulder and went through all the rest.

Beautiful animal I must say. My first ever jakkals and also my first animal taken down with my replacement Sauer 6.5x55 from the recall they had.

Overall moerse fun experience. Already planning the next outing.

I took pictures. Looks like this. Only, uhm, dead.

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