How much solar and wind power SA needs to avoid Stage 6 power cuts

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BlackStatic

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Folks, we have a lot of coal here, the best coal, beautiful coal.

Biggest challenge isn't the resources, we got wind, sun and coal out the butt, it's the jobs. Coal industry is around 80 000 workers, that's massive.

Solar/Wind manufacturing will shift all those jobs abroad hand over fist, to Chiner, that's not going to fly any day of the week to a party which wants to stay in power, so you'll have to work around that mandate of jobs local and jobs first.

Also the emissions created to mass manufacture all this wonderful solar and wind is just as scary as coal, same thing happened when Nuclear was ditched, carbon emission skyrocketed. The hippy green wind/solar a moerse nice sales pitch but it's still a sales pitch. Don't for a second think the people behind the push care about the environment, it's all about $$$.
 
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BlackStatic said:
Folks, we have a lot of coal here, the best coal, beautiful coal.

Biggest challenge isn't the resources, we got wind, sun and coal out the butt, it's the jobs. Coal industry is around 80 000 workers, that's massive.

Solar/Wind manufacturing will shift all those jobs abroad hand over fist, to Chiner, that's not going to fly any day of the week to a party which wants to stay in power, so you'll have to work around that mandate of jobs local and jobs first.

Also the emissions created to mass manufacture all this wonderful solar and wind is just as scary as coal, same thing happened when Nuclear was ditched, carbon emission skyrocketed. The hippy green wind/solar a moerse nice sales pitch but it's still a sales pitch. Don't for a second think the people behind the push care about the environment, it's all about $$$.
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Problem is not the jobs its the tenders; be it the coal itself, transports, parts for generator, mops.... these are get filthy rich schemes for connected cadres which the ANC needs to fund its political machine and stay in power... they don't give a **** about the jobs or they would have delivered power and infrastructure to keep up with the economy so that the entire country, especially the poor would have jobs.... right now we could have been shipping millions of tonnes of coal to EU that's desperate to replace Russian fuels but there not enough power to run the mines 24x7 cost effectively and no means to get the coal to the ports....
 
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Cube3 said:
Hows that working for Germany ?
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Was wondering when somebody was going to mention it. SA will not be able to achieve any of it's targets. Never on time, always an excuse, red tape, idiots in the Gov, 3rd world country. The list goes on. O yes, the 2nd Eskom. A fantastic idea.
 
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mypetcow said:
A few new nuclear plants to replace the coal power plants could be a nice addition to all solar and wind that is coming online.
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And how long would it take to build even one new nuclear power plant in SA?

New nuclear power plant builds in SA only have the potential to solve the electricity crisis if the vast majority of politicians in parliament have nothing to do with it, and that is never going to happen, rather worry about how Koeberg is being mismanaged.
 
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system32 said:
ZA has much better Solar and Wind resources than Germany.

We more like South Australia.
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indaily.com.au

Electricity crunch sparks new SA supply warning - InDaily

Australia’s energy operator says conditions remain “volatile” within the National Electricity Market despite the situation improving since last week, as new electricity supply warnings are issued for South Australia.
indaily.com.au indaily.com.au

Also the most expensive electricity in Australia by almost double, sure for like once in 2021 they dropped down to 20c, but that was the same price as the rest of Oz anyway.
 
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Lupus said:
indaily.com.au

Electricity crunch sparks new SA supply warning - InDaily

Australia’s energy operator says conditions remain “volatile” within the National Electricity Market despite the situation improving since last week, as new electricity supply warnings are issued for South Australia.
indaily.com.au indaily.com.au

Also the most expensive electricity in Australia by almost double, sure for like once in 2021 they dropped down to 20c, but that was the same price as the rest of Oz anyway.
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Are you suggesting ANC build more Medupi type power stations?

The reasons for high prices in South Australia relate more to transmission costs than generation costs.
 
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j4ck455 said:
And how long would it take to build even one new nuclear power plant in SA?

New nuclear power plant builds in SA only have the potential to solve the electricity crisis if the vast majority of politicians in parliament have nothing to do with it, and that is never going to happen, rather worry about how Koeberg is being mismanaged.
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Despite many different administrations and much scaremongering by surprisingly many people that are still scared of the ANC I think that we can all agree that since 1984 Koeberg has operated rather well and that we’ve neither had a meltdown or any other sort of nuclear incident hat has taken the plant offline indefinitely or made the area surrounding it uninhabitable. So whether it’s the former NP government of the 80s and early 90s or the ANC since nothing has happened in the past 30 years to has it now?

If there was ANC mismanagement at Koeberg wouldn’t it have been glaringly evident closer to 1994 than to today?

I guess even the ANC knows that skilled people in the right places will give you good results. Case and point Koeberg.
 
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itareanlnotani said:
Nuclear - When you need (expensive) power 20 years from now.

No, I think we can do without Nuclear, and concentrate on other solutions.
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Like I said. In addition to solar and wind to replace the coal.

The all knowing geniuses in Germany are shutting down their three last nuclear power stations in December. They are literally putting old mothballed coal power stations back online now to make up for the loss of generation capacity they think will come January next year.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...urope-germany-austria-netherlands-russia-gas/

Austria, Germany, Italy and the Netherlands announced plans this week to prepare to resurrect old coal plants as gas supplies dwindled.
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But even facing the fear of an energy crunch this winter, Germany has resisted calls to keep its last nuclear power plants online, having pledged to phase out nuclear power by the end of the year.
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Edited, realised who I replied to and that is was a waste of time.
 
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BlackStatic said:
Folks, we have a lot of coal here, the best coal, beautiful coal.

Biggest challenge isn't the resources, we got wind, sun and coal out the butt, it's the jobs. Coal industry is around 80 000 workers, that's massive.

Solar/Wind manufacturing will shift all those jobs abroad hand over fist, to Chiner, that's not going to fly any day of the week to a party which wants to stay in power, so you'll have to work around that mandate of jobs local and jobs first.

Also the emissions created to mass manufacture all this wonderful solar and wind is just as scary as coal, same thing happened when Nuclear was ditched, carbon emission skyrocketed. The hippy green wind/solar a moerse nice sales pitch but it's still a sales pitch. Don't for a second think the people behind the push care about the environment, it's all about $$$.
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A massive challenge to jobs in mining is the logistics bottlenecks. In 2021, we lost over R20bn of revenue from unfulfilled demand. That is a very big number.
 
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