How to cancel and stop paying your TV licence

[Jola]

And here is the heart and soul of many problems in SA at the moment.

Civil disobedience and a lack of respect for the law ..........

Especially by the ANC government and parastatals.

 

[Geoff.D]

Because you can get a TV for half the retail price(just like I did) and the seller won't ask for a TV license so you don't have to deal with the "crap". I'm not sure how much simpler I can say this... I would still like to know where you got the assumption that I am making money off suckers, hoarding TV's and they will all soon be obsolete?

My device is not capable of receiving broadcast signals, it has no antenna plugged in, you may come try to receive an SABC signal on my device as it currently stands if you so wish.

I have never watched or listened to anything produced/owned/broadcast by the SABC on any device(be it radio or TV) I have ever owned. I have never had the capability of watching or listening to anything produced/owned/broadcast by the SABC on any device(be it radio or TV) I have ever owned, either because it's not tuned or because it has no antenna. In fact I do not even know how to tune my current TV or if it even has a tuner.

I will not pay for something I do not use nor ever have intention of using.

If your entire argument is that you must pay because "it's the law" I have some SANRAL bills for you and an unqualified BEE candidate to replace you, after all that's the law...

Self-righteous arse.

Oh, so now because you do not plug in an antenna it means your TV is not capable of broadcast reception? So that makes it right? No you cannot justify anything except you have a propensity towards civil disobedience.

And as to SANRAL bills, I am already on record to say that I do not have to pay them because I do not use the highways affected by e-tolls at all.

It is not about being self righteous, it is about standing up and being counted as being respectful of the law ...... which you cannot claim on two accounts now --- failing to pay tv licences when you should and failing to pay your e-toll debts. Anymore you would like to admit to while you are at it?

 

[ScottulusMaximus]

Oh, so now because you do not plug in an antenna it means your TV is not capable of broadcast reception? So that makes it right? No you cannot justify anything except you have a propensity towards civil disobedience.

And as to SANRAL bills, I am already on record to say that I do not have to pay them because I do not use the highways affected by e-tolls at all.

It is not about being self righteous, it is about standing up and being counted as being respectful of the law ...... which you cannot claim on two accounts now --- failing to pay tv licences when you should and failing to pay your e-toll debts. Anymore you would like to admit to while you are at it?

Again, it's only in your head where my actions require justification to myself, or to anyone else for that matter.

Again, the arse-umption, where did I state I have e-toll debts?

And it is certainly about being self-righteous, it's a constant theme with you...

 

[Geoff.D]

Again, it's only in your head where my actions require justification to myself, or to anyone else for that matter.

Again, the arse-umption, where did I state I have e-toll debts?

And it is certainly about being self-righteous, it's a constant theme with you...

If your entire argument is that you must pay because "it's the law" I have some SANRAL bills for you and an unqualified BEE candidate to replace you, after all that's the law...

Was that just said to try and justify your stance and the attack on my integrity?? If you do not have outstanding SANRAL bills then why raise it in this thread??

 

[ScottulusMaximus]

Was that just said to try and justify your stance and the attack on my integrity?? If you do not have outstanding SANRAL bills then why raise it in this thread??

Again, no justification, not paying TV license is against the law, I still won't pay it. Expecting me to justify this to myself or you or to wring my hands about it is an insight into your personality not mine.

It was a comment to draw you out on your self-righteous bull that you spew that everyone must obey all laws without question no matter what the circumstances, one which you neatly fell into by ignoring the BEE comment.

 

[Gekco]

Law in South Africa

Two recent court cases, have earned the attention of newspaper readers
in South Africa.


1. One person was fined R1 000 for not having a TV licence.
2. Another was released on bail for R500 after being arrested for
murder.

The moral of this South African story:

If you do not have a TV licence and the inspector comes round, kill
him.You'll save R500.
It's the Right Thing To Do....

LMAO

 

[Geoff.D]

Again, no justification, not paying TV license is against the law, I still won't pay it. Expecting me to justify this to myself or you or to wring my hands about it is an insight into your personality not mine.

It was a comment to draw you out on your self-righteous bull that you spew that everyone must obey all laws without question no matter what the circumstances, one which you neatly fell into by ignoring the BEE comment.

Do all, do nothing or you're a liar and a hypocrite. Not admitting to being the third option(which every human on the planet is) makes you a self-righteous arse...

So you admit to bringing up all sorts of unrelated justifications to defend your position? I deliberately chose to ignore the BEE comment because it is completely irrelevant to anything in this thread!

FACT.

You own a TV for which you have failed to pay a licence fee, which makes you guilty by your own admission of not complying with a regulation enforceable by law in SA. Yes or No?

Everything else in your responses in this thread are totally irrelevant to the debate on what you need to do to use a TV for non-broadcast reception purposes.

 

[Jola]

I'm not going to pay this year. They have my details, so I will just see what happens.

I don't watch the SABC, and my conscience just doesn't allow me to pay while they have an illegal COO.

 

[ScottulusMaximus]

So you admit to bringing up all sorts of unrelated justifications to defend you position? I deliberately chose to ignore the BEE comment because it is completely irrelevant to anything in this thread!

FACT.

You own a TV for which you have failed to pay a licence fee, which makes you guilty by your own admission of not complying with a regulation enforceable by law in SA. Yes or No?

Everything else in your responses in this thread are totally irrelevant to the debate on what you need to do to use a TV for non-broadcast reception purposes.

You seem to be confused about the definition of justification, I'm not defending my actions or position, I'm attacking yours...

Yes I am breaking the law, I don't think I've denied that for a second. Why am I doing it? Because I will not pay for something I do not use, that is not fair.

Your entire argument is I should be paying TV license because it's the law, that means you must obey and agree with every law in SA, so as an example:

If you're so passionate about obeying the rule of law the surely you must agree with and follow the BEE legislation and would have no issue whatsoever in being fired in favour of a BEE candidate? Yes or No?

If you personally do not agree and do not follow every single law in SA without fail and go after someone for doing the same you're a self-righteous hypocrite.

BTW this doesn't just stem from this thread, you've climbed in countless times with this holier than thou attitude and it's insufferable.

 

[Swa]

but what if you use a monitor with the STB which has a tuner in them? Do you still need a tv licence, or STB licence?

No, only for a tv set. This is the loophole people have been using for years to legally watch sabc on a pc or through a video recorder attached to a monitor.

That much I understood.

I'm asking: If I have a TV licence and one TV, can I use the same license to buy a second TV? Then give that TV to someone withouth a TV license, who is not on the SABC's record to start with? How would the SABC ever know? If this can be done, why would young people make the error of getting a TV license in the first place?

As an aside, LG and Samsung should really start to manufacture TV's without the tuner component. I want to be able to buy a giant monitor, basically, without the SABC having anything to do with it.

Yes you can. When you buy a tv they ask on the form how many tv's you currently have including the one you're buying. Just update that to the correct number every time. If they do happen to come by (can almost guarantee they won't) you just say you gave one away or sold it. Last option is the best as they won't ask too many questions and you don't have to inform the sabc if it's a private sale or second hand.

Why would he/she be a shill? Is the story so hard to believe? First hand experience that it's 100% true

Yes because potential creditors aren't routinely informed when someone dies.

And here is the heart and soul of many problems in SA at the moment.

Civil disobedience and a lack of respect for the law ..........

Civil disobedience keeps governments in check. The ones that follow their own rule of law anyway...
Btw where was the respect for the law when etolling was illegally implemented and why should any government's laws be observed when they don't have any respect for those laws themselves?

 

[Swa]

You seem to be confused about the definition of justification, I'm not defending my actions or position, I'm attacking yours...

Yes I am breaking the law, I don't think I've denied that for a second. Why am I doing it? Because I will not pay for something I do not use, that is not fair.

Your entire argument is I should be paying TV license because it's the law, that means you must obey and agree with every law in SA, so as an example:

If you're so passionate about obeying the rule of law the surely you must agree with and follow the BEE legislation and would have no issue whatsoever in being fired in favour of a BEE candidate? Yes or No?

If you personally do not agree and do not follow every single law in SA without fail and go after someone for doing the same you're a self-righteous hypocrite.

BTW this doesn't just stem from this thread, you've climbed in countless times with this holier than thou attitude and it's insufferable.

Well said.

 

[Swa]

Jesus they made the process as laborious as practically possible to keep paying one way or another.

Don't pay these or any other fees. The only thing you need to do is inform them. You don't need an affidavit or anything else. They can send an inspector if they wish but it has to be on their dime.

 

[Geoff.D]

Civil disobedience keeps governments in check. The ones that follow their own rule of law anyway...
Btw where was the respect for the law when etolling was illegally implemented and why should any government's laws be observed when they don't have any respect for those laws themselves?

I see no issue with objecting to a law about e-tolling by NOT making use of a road subject to tolls, and therefore still not being guilty of breaking the law .....

Civil disobedience is not the correct way to keep governments in check ----- Using the democratic process is the way to go about it.

 

[furpile]

No, only for a tv set. This is the loophole people have been using for years to legally watch sabc on a pc or through a video recorder attached to a monitor.


Yes you can. When you buy a tv they ask on the form how many tv's you currently have including the one you're buying. Just update that to the correct number every time. If they do happen to come by (can almost guarantee they won't) you just say you gave one away or sold it. Last option is the best as they won't ask too many questions and you don't have to inform the sabc if it's a private sale or second hand.

Uhmm, no. You are wrong on both counts. The regulations do refer to a tv set, but you have to read the definition of a tv set as well.

Q: WHAT IS A TELEVISION SET, AS DEFINED IN THE BROADCASTING ACT?
A: Any device designed or adapted to be capable of receiving a broadcast television signal. That includes a PC fitted with a TV tuner card, or a videocassette recorder (VCR) connected to a monitor or TV screen.

Q: WHEN IS A TV LICENCE NO LONGER REQUIRED? WHAT MUST ONE DO TO CANCEL A LICENCE?
A: When one has sold or otherwise disposed of one's television set(s) a TV licence is no longer required. The SABC must be notified on a prescribed form (affidavit) of the changed circumstances. No licence is cancelled while moneys are still outstanding on an account.

Nowhere is it stated that you don't have to inform the SABC if it is a private sale.

 

[Geoff.D]

Uhmm, no. You are wrong on both counts. The regulations do refer to a tv set, but you have to read the definition of a tv set as well.




Nowhere is it stated that you don't have to inform the SABC if it is a private sale.

Thank you for digging out the relevant clauses.

 

[Drunkard #1]

You seem to be confused about the definition of justification, I'm not defending my actions or position, I'm attacking yours...

Yes I am breaking the law, I don't think I've denied that for a second. Why am I doing it? Because I will not pay for something I do not use, that is not fair.

Your entire argument is I should be paying TV license because it's the law, that means you must obey and agree with every law in SA, so as an example:

If you're so passionate about obeying the rule of law the surely you must agree with and follow the BEE legislation and would have no issue whatsoever in being fired in favour of a BEE candidate? Yes or No?

If you personally do not agree and do not follow every single law in SA without fail and go after someone for doing the same you're a self-righteous hypocrite.

BTW this doesn't just stem from this thread, you've climbed in countless times with this holier than thou attitude and it's insufferable.

But are you breaking the law? When was the last time the tv license law went to court? Before the CPA (which has a few things to say about unjust laws)? Before computer monitors started using the same ports as TVs? Before youtube? I'll bet that it was last tested before the internet became commonplace.

As far as I'm concerned, the "capable of receiving a broadcast signal" definition is bull**** that won't stand up in court. A rock is "capable of receiving a broadcast signal". Can't do anything with it, but it sure does receive it. Till that definition is tested in court, against the basis of living in the 21st century, where "TVs" are used as computer monitors, CCTV screens and billboards, I'm just going to assume I'm not breaking the law.

 

[Drunkard #1]

I see no issue with objecting to a law about e-tolling by NOT making use of a road subject to tolls, and therefore still not being guilty of breaking the law .....

Civil disobedience is not the correct way to keep governments in check ----- Using the democratic process is the way to go about it.

HAHAHAHAHAHAhahaha.

 

[chrisc]

Neighbour bought a house from a deceased estate, renovated it and moved in 6 months later. Then reminders started coming from SABC addressed to old person who had died a year prior to this. Many phone calls and emails proved useless

So on one letter, he marked the envelope RTS and added "Try plot 7764 Plumstead Cemetry". This seemed to sort it out

 

[Willie Trombone]

Neighbour bought a house from a deceased estate, renovated it and moved in 6 months later. Then reminders started coming from SABC addressed to old person who had died a year prior to this. Many phone calls and emails proved useless

So on one letter, he marked the envelope RTS and added "Try plot 7764 Plumstead Cemetry". This seemed to sort it out

 

[Geoff.D]

Don't pay these or any other fees. The only thing you need to do is inform them. You don't need an affidavit or anything else. They can send an inspector if they wish but it has to be on their dime.

You inform them by way of an affidavit, and until the licence is formally cancelled, the fees remain payable.

Uhmm, no. You are wrong on both counts. The regulations do refer to a tv set, but you have to read the definition of a tv set as well.




Nowhere is it stated that you don't have to inform the SABC if it is a private sale.