How to connect gate motor to battery system? Hansa Elite H/D

[Milie]

Hello,

So some a**hole/s today decided they would like access to my property and cut the lock that connects the motor's arm to the gate but luckily they didn't gain access to the house. I have connected a better locking system but the gate hasn't got a backup system so it has to be manually unlocked/unhinged every time we have loadshedding.

I need some help/advice on connecting a battery system to an existing gate motor.

I have this motor (below) which is connected to a single gate via two bars that swivel (see this) so I assume it's a double swing motor then?



I want to connect it to a new battery system that will be charged through the existing power connection. I have found this site that has the parts, mainly:

HANSA – PCB DOUBLE SWING 24V​

HANSA – SPEEDO BATTERY CHARGER COMPLETE PANEL​

What else do I need besides the batteries, cable and enclosure?
Or is there another way of doing this? Those prices are quite expensive and the current motor is still working well after 20+ years.

Are these below viable?

Hansa Speedo Battery Charger Complete Panel​

Hansa Speedo 24V Alternative Power Supply

I have some experience/knowledge of batteries, wiring, inverters etc. but any and all assistance is appreciated.

 

[Milie]

Will this work?

Mircom 12/24VDC Power Supply with Battery Backup UPS

Kit: This kit is is unassembled Box: Height: 250 x Width: 200 x Depth: 105 mm Battery: 12V 7AH Power Supply Silver: LOA South African certification for safety Switch mode Short circuit protection Overload protection 12VDC 4A with Battery Charger. Supply for GSM and Buck-Boost Converter Built in...

castlecontrols.co.za

 

[upup]

Is your current motor 24 volt? I got a nice hansa 24 Volt motor gate, it got a power supply 220 to 24vdc, and 2 alarm batteries.
If your motor is 24 volt, it will be easy, but if 220 volt ac, more money.

 

[Love Me Tender]

Hello,

So some a**hole/s today decided they would like access to my property and cut the lock that connects the motor's arm to the gate but luckily they didn't gain access to the house. I have connected a better locking system but the gate hasn't got a backup system so it has to be manually unlocked/unhinged every time we have loadshedding.

I need some help/advice on connecting a battery system to an existing gate motor.

I have this motor (below) which is connected to a single gate via two bars that swivel (see this) so I assume it's a double swing motor then?

View attachment 1415361

I want to connect it to a new battery system that will be charged through the existing power connection. I have found this site that has the parts, mainly:

HANSA – PCB DOUBLE SWING 24V​

HANSA – SPEEDO BATTERY CHARGER COMPLETE PANEL​

What else do I need besides the batteries, cable and enclosure?
Or is there another way of doing this? Those prices are quite expensive and the current motor is still working well after 20+ years.

Are these below viable?

Hansa Speedo Battery Charger Complete Panel​

Hansa Speedo 24V Alternative Power Supply

I have some experience/knowledge of batteries, wiring, inverters etc. but any and all assistance is appreciated.

Best would be to call the guys from the website and ask them if no one here can help you...

 

[TheChamp]

Hello,

So some a**hole/s today decided they would like access to my property and cut the lock that connects the motor's arm to the gate but luckily they didn't gain access to the house. I have connected a better locking system but the gate hasn't got a backup system so it has to be manually unlocked/unhinged every time we have loadshedding.

I need some help/advice on connecting a battery system to an existing gate motor.

I have this motor (below) which is connected to a single gate via two bars that swivel (see this) so I assume it's a double swing motor then?

View attachment 1415361

I want to connect it to a new battery system that will be charged through the existing power connection. I have found this site that has the parts, mainly:

HANSA – PCB DOUBLE SWING 24V​

HANSA – SPEEDO BATTERY CHARGER COMPLETE PANEL​

What else do I need besides the batteries, cable and enclosure?
Or is there another way of doing this? Those prices are quite expensive and the current motor is still working well after 20+ years.

Are these below viable?

Hansa Speedo Battery Charger Complete Panel​

Hansa Speedo 24V Alternative Power Supply

I have some experience/knowledge of batteries, wiring, inverters etc. but any and all assistance is appreciated.

So you need an external DC source that would supply power to the internal battery?

 

[TheChamp]

Will this work?

Mircom 12/24VDC Power Supply with Battery Backup UPS

Kit: This kit is is unassembled Box: Height: 250 x Width: 200 x Depth: 105 mm Battery: 12V 7AH Power Supply Silver: LOA South African certification for safety Switch mode Short circuit protection Overload protection 12VDC 4A with Battery Charger. Supply for GSM and Buck-Boost Converter Built in...

castlecontrols.co.za

My only problem with it is that getting a 24V out of a 12V 7Ah battery is not going to work well, it would have been nice if it was just a 24V.

 

[chrisc]

Done this for customers many times
You need

Box (suggest York fibreglass enclosure) big enough to house everything
2 x 12 volt 9 a/h lead-acid batteries (li-ion won't work on account of the high initial current)
A 24 volt battery charger
Wiring to the gate motor controller, preferably in conduit

This charger works - https://www.takealot.com/intelligent-12-24v-battery-charger/PLID72165898

 

[Milie]

Best would be to call the guys from the website and ask them if no one here can help you...

I did speak to a Hansa Gates representative and they said I need to upgrade the system to have backup power which is unfortunate. But I'm going to look into chrisc's suggestion. Thanks.

 

[Milie]

So you need an external DC source that would supply power to the internal battery?

Yes, I believe so. The motor is powered from the mains but idealy I would like: power -> batteries -> control board -> gate motor.

 

[Milie]

Done this for customers many times
You need

Box (suggest York fibreglass enclosure) big enough to house everything
2 x 12 volt 9 a/h lead-acid batteries (li-ion won't work on account of the high initial current)
A 24 volt battery charger
Wiring to the gate motor controller, preferably in conduit

This charger works - https://www.takealot.com/intelligent-12-24v-battery-charger/PLID72165898

Thanks for the reply. This is the control board:



It looks like it will support 24V (Sorry for the mess, the board is located in a bad place, a lot of sand/mud etc. will change the location of it too.)

So as simple as wiring 2 x 12v 9a/h in series, connecting the charger to the batteries and then the battery to the control board's main power input?

 

[Milie]

Is your current motor 24 volt? I got a nice hansa 24 Volt motor gate, it got a power supply 220 to 24vdc, and 2 alarm batteries.
If your motor is 24 volt, it will be easy, but if 220 volt ac, more money.

Can you see my reply above? It looks to be the same?

 

[upup]

There is a circuit, two diodes and one resistor which control the charge current, I will post the pic later when I am at a computer.

 

[PsyWulf]

Thanks for the reply. This is the control board:

View attachment 1415595

It looks like it will support 24V (Sorry for the mess, the board is located in a bad place, a lot of sand/mud etc. will change the location of it too.)

So as simple as wiring 2 x 12v 9a/h in series, connecting the charger to the batteries and then the battery to the control board's main power input?

Hard to tell where the spiders stop and the wiring starts

 

[Milie]

Hard to tell where the spiders stop and the wiring starts

lmao yeah, the gate is pretty far from the house so all the wiring for the gate, pool and driveway lighting is located in an outdoor 'service room' next to the gate. Doesn't get attention very often so its become a nest.

I cleaned it a bit to see the cabling better. Not sure if that helps.

https://imgur.com/a/0KTiX9H

 

[upup]

 

[upup]

The circuit is simple to construct. Regulator IC 7812 gives 12 volts regulated DC for powering the circuit as well as to charge the rechargeable battery. LED indicates the power on status. When the mains power is available, diode D1 forward biases and passes current into the battery through R2. Value of R2 is selected to give 90 mA current (12/100 = 0.1A) for slow charging



Watts

Amp / / volts

 

[upup]

Please share a better pic of your wiring pin out top left. Depends where your 24V out is, you might need to cut it in somewhere on that pc board.

 

[Milie]

Please share a better pic of your wiring pin out top left. Depends where your 24V out is, you might need to cut it in somewhere on that pc board.

https://imgur.com/a/0KTiX9H

Second pic?

 

[upup]

https://imgur.com/a/0KTiX9H

Second pic?

a clear pic of the wiring read out top left, connection labeling.

 

[Milie]

a clear pic of the wiring read out top left, connection labeling.

Sorry for the late reply, I was away for a couple of weeks. Now to tackle this project. The pictures above show the wiring and the diagram displays labels clearly. Unfortunately, I see that the radio controls are 24v while the gate motor is 220v. I have 2 x 12v batteries and a 24v charger. I assume I would need an inverter to change 24v to 220v?