Huge fines for motorists who don't pay e-tolls

ProfA

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I don't know what you are supposed to do, other than waste your time and money arguing with SCAMRAL.

What I suggest you consider doing, is opening a case of fraud at SAPS against SCAMRAL, at least that way you have a case number and if SCAMRAL comes after you, you can show that you did your due diligence and they (both SCAMRAL and SAPS) did not.
Let's be serious and realistic here. SAPS will never open a fraud case against SANRAL for something like this. He will get laughed and chased out of the charge office.
 

ProfA

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Sure, legalize etoll first via the right channels

I'm sure you'll have fun with that

because we will not pay
It is already legal, no? Otherwise OUTA or the DA would've had it scrapped long ago via the courts.
 

Moosedrool

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What frightens me the most is that this is how they planned to kickstart the economy.

Netflix TV licenses
e-toll fines
Levies for wrongful infringements.
 

Toxxyc

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You forgot more wealth tax. Because we all know that if you work hard for your money and make a success of yourself in South Africa, you need to also know that the harder you work, the more they'll take.

Makes you wonder why people are not working. Because if you don't work, there's nothing for them to take and you can just hitch a free ride.
 

j4ck455

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Let's be serious and realistic here. SAPS will never open a fraud case against SANRAL for something like this. He will get laughed and chased out of the charge office.
Never say never, but witnesses with cellphones can help steer things in the right direction.

The other option is to just wait for the summons, which should never arrive if this is for alleged debt dating back to 2014 which is supposed to be written off after 3 years.
 

Swa

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Last year they made me pay fines before I could renew the licence????
Which is another unconstitutional scam. If you didn't commit a crime your only avenue is the court but because the court can't handle the amount of cases they are removing this option so you have no choice but to pay the fine.
 

Swa

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It is already legal, no? Otherwise OUTA or the DA would've had it scrapped long ago via the courts.
That is a bone of contention. Both have contended that it is not and to have it challenged in court if there's ever a case. Why do you think Scamral refuses to prosecute anyone?
 

Anti-Chris

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So... I refuse to pay etoll, now they fine me for not paying and I refuse to pay that fine, now they prevent you from renewing your drivers and vehicle license and I then just drive without it. The cops catch me without a drivers or vehicle license and fine me, which I just dont pay... Now the government gets in less money... Awesome logic.
 

ProfA

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Which is another unconstitutional scam. If you didn't commit a crime your only avenue is the court but because the court can't handle the amount of cases they are removing this option so you have no choice but to pay the fine.
Unconstitutional scam neither the DA or OUTA has taken to court to challenge yet we expect them to come to our rescue with etolls.
 

Swa

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Unconstitutional scam neither the DA or OUTA has taken to court to challenge yet we expect them to come to our rescue with etolls.
Why I don't trust either of them. They should take that donated money and actively challenge it.
 

ProfA

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Why I don't trust either of them. They should take that donated money and actively challenge it.
exactly why i think people who donate to them are imbeciles. they haven't done diddly sht tangible to combat etolls or the myriad of other brazen tax abuse.
 

Yskasmetnstoof

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Burning some stuff and voting the farkers out of power should be a clear message from the very patient tax payers of Gauteng who may strip their moer some or other time.
 
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