Humanities students could lose out on government funding

Techne

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What's that quote about a country that doesn't learn it's own history being doomed to repeat it. Something like that rings a bell. But yeah, sure, lets just flush everything not seen as a hard skill down the toilet. Actually the term hard and soft skills should also be flushed.
Actually, this is a golden opportunity to learn something: Civilization can absolutely flourish without the ideas of Marxism, socialism, Bolshevism, social justice etc. getting public funding. Teach it in history class, learn from the failures of the past.
 

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You laugh, but I can assure you, passing an engineering semester course is far easier than learning to play a difficult Beethoven sonata. The numbers of people who can do one or the other bear this out too. How many concert pianists are there in the world? I reckon that first-year algebra or discrete maths is easier than grade 6 (done by schoolchildren) music theory; I shudder to think how much harder the music theory done at university must be. Do you know how complicated harmony is?

One thing you'll notice about classically trained musicians in general, and classically trained pianists and organists especially, is how fast their minds work; you have got to have a fast mind to interpret two sets of staff lines full of chords and other symbols, in real time (and organists have at least three sets of staff lines depending on the number if manuals on the organ - they play with their feet too). These people are SMART.
 

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You laugh, but I can assure you, passing an engineering semester course is far easier than learning to play a difficult Beethoven sonata. The numbers of people who can do one or the other bear this out too. How many concert pianists are there in the world? I reckon that first-year algebra or discrete maths is easier than grade 6 (done by schoolchildren) music theory; I shudder to think how much harder the music theory done at university must be. Do you know how complicated harmony is?

One thing you'll notice about classically trained musicians in general, and classically trained pianists and organists especially, is how fast their minds work; you have got to have a fast mind to interpret two sets of staff lines full of chords and other symbols, in real time (and organists have at least three sets of staff lines depending on the number if manuals on the organ - they play with their feet too). These people are SMART.
:rolleyes:
 

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You laugh, but I can assure you, passing an engineering semester course is far easier than learning to play a difficult Beethoven sonata. The numbers of people who can do one or the other bear this out too. How many concert pianists are there in the world? I reckon that first-year algebra or discrete maths is easier than grade 6 (done by schoolchildren) music theory; I shudder to think how much harder the music theory done at university must be. Do you know how complicated harmony is?

One thing you'll notice about classically trained musicians in general, and classically trained pianists and organists especially, is how fast their minds work; you have got to have a fast mind to interpret two sets of staff lines full of chords and other symbols, in real time (and organists have at least three sets of staff lines depending on the number if manuals on the organ - they play with their feet too). These people are SMART.
Impressive and I doubt I would be able to cope with Beethoven sonata or even Wolfgang Mozart, but I still think the comparison between music and engineering is silly.
 

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You laugh, but I can assure you, passing an engineering semester course is far easier than learning to play a difficult Beethoven sonata. The numbers of people who can do one or the other bear this out too. How many concert pianists are there in the world? I reckon that first-year algebra or discrete maths is easier than grade 6 (done by schoolchildren) music theory; I shudder to think how much harder the music theory done at university must be. Do you know how complicated harmony is?

One thing you'll notice about classically trained musicians in general, and classically trained pianists and organists especially, is how fast their minds work; you have got to have a fast mind to interpret two sets of staff lines full of chords and other symbols, in real time (and organists have at least three sets of staff lines depending on the number if manuals on the organ - they play with their feet too). These people are SMART.
Let me get this right, you're comparing the peak of a profession with the general profession of STEM? Seems a bit weird.

I think the main reason there aren't that many concert pianists in the world is that there are only so many that are needed/can be listened to, past that point it makes no sense. Most STEM fields haven't hit that point.

In regards to learning a Beethoven sonata, know a lot of people who are at that level, but I did spend a bit of time playing piano and the violin, so guess that means I meet people like that.

And again, at no point did anyone say e.g. music studies isn't difficult, it is more that the degrees in those fields already produce more than the needed amount, at that point we should stop subsidizing those degrees.

If society was great, and government had the money, I would be completely for funding such studies, music theory actually more than most humanity studies as I believe one of the best forms of expression is music, especially if trying to find oneself, but for society as a whole, STEM is more important right now. We can work on having more musicians once we can build those theater halls. :p
 

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By the by, wtf is stem? I just checked the article and that abbreviation (or whatever the **** it is) doesn't appear to come from there.
 

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By the by, wtf is stem? I just checked the article and that abbreviation (or whatever the **** it is) doesn't appear to come from there.
Science, Technology, Engineering, Mathematics.

You know, the courses this country desperately needs, rather than more politics and gender studies graduates
 

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What's that quote about a country that doesn't learn it's own history being doomed to repeat it. Something like that rings a bell. But yeah, sure, lets just flush everything not seen as a hard skill down the toilet. Actually the term hard and soft skills should also be flushed.
You referring to History AFAIK History is a Science
 

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You referring to History AFAIK History is a Science
"Traditionally, the study of history has been considered a part of the humanities. In modern academia, history is occasionally classified as a social science." -Wikipedia

I guess Wikipedia is a social construct too and has no power here xD

My view point not directed at anyone;
Looking through that list, I reckon a lot of that is needed.Universities also seem to think so,otherwise they wouldn't have offered it in the first place.

Yeah its seen as the easier path to take,probably because it looks like it compared to engineering for example however taking away funding for something seen as a "lazy subject" wont automatically make people take up "harder subjects", not in S.A anyway.

Its all good and well that people want to paint them all with the same brush calling them SJW's and snowflakes but this just highlights the viewpoint of those not in that field of study.The moment someone mentions humanities it seems to be a running joke.
 

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Science, Technology, Engineering, Mathematics.

You know, the courses this country desperately needs, rather than more politics and gender studies graduates
So give us some hard statistics on the number of politics (whatever that is) and gender studies graduates?
 

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You laugh, but I can assure you, passing an engineering semester course is far easier than learning to play a difficult Beethoven sonata. The numbers of people who can do one or the other bear this out too. How many concert pianists are there in the world? I reckon that first-year algebra or discrete maths is easier than grade 6 (done by schoolchildren) music theory; I shudder to think how much harder the music theory done at university must be. Do you know how complicated harmony is?

One thing you'll notice about classically trained musicians in general, and classically trained pianists and organists especially, is how fast their minds work; you have got to have a fast mind to interpret two sets of staff lines full of chords and other symbols, in real time (and organists have at least three sets of staff lines depending on the number if manuals on the organ - they play with their feet too). These people are SMART.
Dexterous sure. Smart? Eh...
 
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"Traditionally, the study of history has been considered a part of the humanities. In modern academia, history is occasionally classified as a social science." -Wikipedia

I guess Wikipedia is a social construct too and has no power here xD

My view point not directed at anyone;
Looking through that list, I reckon a lot of that is needed.Universities also seem to think so,otherwise they wouldn't have offered it in the first place.

Yeah its seen as the easier path to take,probably because it looks like it compared to engineering for example however taking away funding for something seen as a "lazy subject" wont automatically make people take up "harder subjects", not in S.A anyway.

Its all good and well that people want to paint them all with the same brush calling them SJW's and snowflakes but this just highlights the viewpoint of those not in that field of study.The moment someone mentions humanities it seems to be a running joke.
Not the same people, no, but I bet there are others who currently miss the cutoff for funding for a STEM field, because there are a limited number of students that can be funded.
 

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Not the same people, no, but I bet there are others who currently miss the cutoff for funding for a STEM field, because there are a limited number of students that can be funded.
And these gender studies cadres can't find work. It's resources wasted.

When you have a stem degree you can build, program, research.
When you have a gender studies degree you can tell people to check their privilege.

Unfortunately not a lot of need for the latter. They are equivalent to the average twitter user.
 
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