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Brenden_E

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Did you say addiction or attempt to deceive using the phrase “substance abuse” without any clarification?
Yea, that is factually incorrect. He didn't abuse any substance. He used medication prescribed to him by a medical doctor.
 

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Did you say addiction or attempt to deceive using the phrase “substance abuse” without any clarification?
Same thing. If you abuse it, you become addicted.

Find it interesting that a guy who preaches self discipline, became addicted.
 

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Same thing. If you abuse it, you become addicted.

Find it interesting that a guy who preaches self discipline, became addicted.
Patently false. You can easily get addicted to medication without abusing it.
 

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You said it like he's a druggie to discredit his work. That was clearly your intention. Whereas he did the responsible thing and looked for help from a doctor with what must obviously be a very straining personal issue to deal with. The Dr failed him on that one. And once again he did the responsible thing by seeking help when he felt he got addicted to the medication.

So the reality is, the guy should be lauded for pretty much making every reasonable decision one can expect in those circumstances. Yet here you are trying to twist it into something negative. Like seriously man, you need to do some introspection.
So he was addicted to a drug.

How did his addiction affect what he was saying and how did this affect his judgement?

How can we judge what was said while he was on this drug was not said as a result of the effect the drug and his addiction to it was having on his mental state?

It raises much doubt.

Who's opinion would you rather listen to? A guy who is addicted to a drug, or a doctor who is not addicted?
 

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Same thing. If you abuse it, you become addicted.

Find it interesting that a guy who preaches self discipline, became addicted.
Just wow.

Grow up and admit your cheap shot tactic has been called out. Even Jordan Peterson knows there are some situations which requires professional help. Your statement against his argument for recreational drugs and bad life choices is garbage and a severe ad hominem fallacy.
 

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So he was addicted to a drug.

How did his addiction affect what he was saying and how did this affect his judgement?

How can we judge what was said while he was on this drug was not said as a result of the effect the drug and his addiction to it was having on his mental state?

It raises much doubt.

Who's opinion would you rather listen to? A guy who is addicted to a drug, or a doctor who is not addicted?
Doubling down. Just stop before you turn into a complete fool.
 

Brenden_E

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So he was addicted to a drug.

How did his addiction affect what he was saying and how did this affect his judgement?

How can we judge what was said while he was on this drug was not said as a result of the effect the drug and his addiction to it was having on his mental state?

It raises much doubt.

Who's opinion would you rather listen to? A guy who is addicted to a drug, or a doctor who is not addicted?
His wife's cancer is a recent development. And people that I listen to, I actually listen to what they are saying.
So, for argument's sake, if someone high on cocaine speaks extremely insightful and reasonable, why the hell would you not listen?

O, because you base truth on the person it comes from. You cray cray.
 

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Just wow.

Grow up and admit your cheap shot tactic has been called out. Even Jordan Peterson knows there are some situations which requires professional help. Your statement against his argument for recreational drugs and bad life choices is garbage and a severe ad hominem fallacy.
Do we take someone who would exhibit these symptoms as a valid view?

Other psychological signs of clonazepam abuse or addiction include:

  • Feeling as though you must take the drug to get through the day.
  • Moving slower than usual.
  • Having difficulty concentrating and/or remembering facts or events.
  • Inability to curtail compulsive use of the drug.
Fair enough looks like he would become addicted to it anyway.

However does that mean just because its Jordan Peterson and he was addicted, we should accept what he said is valid, even though by all accounts it would be impaired?
 

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His wife's cancer is a recent development. And people that I listen to, I actually listen to what they are saying.
So, for argument's sake, if someone high on cocaine speaks extremely insightful and reasonable, why the hell would you not listen?

O, because you base truth on the person it comes from. You cray cray.
If someone was on cocaine, I probably would laugh at them and wonder how they got to such a point in their lives that their self esteem and confidence was so low that they needed a drug to boost them.
 

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Yeah like this guy.

Imagine what Jordan Peterson would say about this guy's room and what effect it has on him.

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Guaranteed he cleaned it up.

Do we take someone who would exhibit these symptoms as a valid view?
Ad hominem everywhere. The person is not a view. His message is.

However does that mean just because its Jordan Peterson and he was addicted, we should accept what he said is valid, even though by all accounts it would be impaired?
No Anti depressants are a serious drug and in many cases helps people. It is however a unfortunate thing to have addictive medication adjust serotonin levels to keep people going. Seeking professional help to get off it after his doctor was unsuccessful is far beyond being responsible and far above any cheap shot comparison's you're making with druggies.
 

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Guaranteed he cleaned it up.



Ad hominem everywhere. The person is not a view. His message is.



No Anti depressants are a serious drug and in many cases helps people. It is however a unfortunate thing to have addictive medication adjust serotonin levels to keep people going. Seeking professional help to get off it after his doctor was unsuccessful is far beyond being responsible and far above any cheap shot comparison's you're making with druggies.
Why did he let it get dirty?

Lol I love the gymnastics.
 

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Do we take someone who would exhibit these symptoms as a valid view?



Fair enough looks like he would become addicted to it anyway.

However does that mean just because its Jordan Peterson and he was addicted, we should accept what he said is valid, even though by all accounts it would be impaired?
C-16 was passed in 2016 and JP has been campaigning against it since then. He's only been on the anti-depressants since about April this year when his wife was diagnosed with terminal cancer.

If you're going to dig up random things on the internet to smear people, at least have the decency to look for the full story before posting it here.
 

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I've read some things that make me want to stay the hell away from modern psychiatry.

But anyway, all of this is very off topic.
 

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If someone was on cocaine, I probably would laugh at them and wonder how they got to such a point in their lives that their self esteem and confidence was so low that they needed a drug to boost them.
You must constantly laugh while listening to music. Cause you know those artists, not exactly the sober type.
Start burning those albums son, don't want to listen to someone addicted.
 

buka001

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C-16 was passed in 2016 and JP has been campaigning against it since then. He's only been on the anti-depressants since about April this year when his wife was diagnosed with terminal cancer.

If you're going to dig up random things on the internet to smear people, at least have the decency to look for the full story before posting it here.
Yes and the propaganda that JBP was promoting was debunked back then.

I posted legal analysis of the bill which showed that JBP was way off.
 
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