'Hundreds' of young trans people seeking help to return to original sex

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Temujin said:
Well done canada? Meanwhile, in the rest of the world, people still lose jobs, get fired, fined or even arrested... few examples here
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UK Mom Arrested for Calling Transgender Activist a Man

UK officials arrested a woman after she called a transgender activist a biological man on Twitter.
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Teacher fired for refusing to use transgender student’s pronouns

A Virginia high school teacher who refused to use a transgender student’s new pronouns has been fired for insubordination, according to the school system.
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Caroline Farrow (UK Mom) was not arrested, she was asked to report to Surrey Police station and was questioned. The complainant dropped the complaint.
The teacher who was fired - He has filed a lawsuit and will probably win. He was unfairly dismissed. So he will get a job back, plus a healthy settlement.
The New York City HR matter is being strawmanned - https://gothamist.com/news/no-nyc-d...fine-for-any-incorrect-use-of-gender-pronouns
The NYHRC asked Volokh to correct his piece that you linked to. Only when you deliberately act out and discriminate against a transgender person, could you be liable for this fine.

Point is, once real and actual laws are applied, much of the hysterics goes away.
 
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Temujin said:
Well done canada? Meanwhile, in the rest of the world, people still lose jobs, get fired, fined or even arrested... few examples here
www1.cbn.com

UK Mom Arrested for Calling Transgender Activist a Man

UK officials arrested a woman after she called a transgender activist a biological man on Twitter.
www1.cbn.com www1.cbn.com
www.nbcnews.com

Teacher fired for refusing to use transgender student’s pronouns

A Virginia high school teacher who refused to use a transgender student’s new pronouns has been fired for insubordination, according to the school system.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
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Buka is talking crap.

'Hundreds' of young trans people seeking help to return to original sex

I often wake up feeling like a million bucks or a grumpy old git and sometimes a rock star but I de-transition within a few hours back to my normal state
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I already demonstrated how it(jailing) could be done, none of his claims that it can't actually refutes the pathway demonstrated, which JP himself brought up in the public debate he had with those SJW lawyers. Positive evidence is stronger than negative evidence, but Bukatroll will not acknowledge this.
 
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Caroline Farrow (UK Mom) was not arrested, she was asked to report to Surrey Police station and was questioned. The complainant dropped the complaint.
The teacher who was fired - He has filed a lawsuit and will probably win. He was unfairly dismissed. So he will get a job back, plus a healthy settlement.
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Point is, once real and actual laws are applied, much of the hysterics goes away.
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The fact that the mom had to report to the cop shop is already wrong. We also know lawyers come free and are cheap. Right?

You very posts shows how fscked up the situation is and how we have allowed for abuse to enter the system. Will those that abuse it bear the costs? Thought not, it goes against the SJW mantra to accept any responsibility when it comes to them.
 
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Buka is talking crap.

'Hundreds' of young trans people seeking help to return to original sex

I often wake up feeling like a million bucks or a grumpy old git and sometimes a rock star but I de-transition within a few hours back to my normal state
mybroadband.co.za

I already demonstrated how it(jailing) could be done, none of his claims that it can't actually refutes the pathway demonstrated, which JP himself brought up in the public debate he had with those SJW lawyers. Positive evidence is stronger than negative evidence, but Bukatroll will not acknowledge this.
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And yet an actual professor of law from Canada says it cannot.
 
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buka001 said:
Caroline Farrow (UK Mom) was not arrested, she was asked to report to Surrey Police station and was questioned. The complainant dropped the complaint.
The teacher who was fired - He has filed a lawsuit and will probably win. He was unfairly dismissed. So he will get a job back, plus a healthy settlement.
The New York City HR matter is being strawmanned - https://gothamist.com/news/no-nyc-d...fine-for-any-incorrect-use-of-gender-pronouns
The NYHRC asked Volokh to correct his piece that you linked to. Only when you deliberately act out and discriminate against a transgender person, could you be liable for this fine.

Point is, once real and actual laws are applied, much of the hysterics goes away.
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I just pulled those at random from quick google for example.... do we really need to post dozens of examples from the last few years alone of this bs?
 
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And yet an actual professor of law from Canada says it cannot.
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Again, positive evidence trumps negative evidence. Unless your professor of law from Canada actively refuted the possibility that was raised, his claim is worthless and you refusing to acknowledge the point is an indication that you are trolling as usual.

So please, explain how your professor of law from Canada says it cannot.
 
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Yes.
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I've spoken with multiple gay dudes, not one of them has ever said it's a choice. It's just the way they lean. They despise sex with a female and think it disgusting. They would do it if forced, or for some stupid greater good, but if given the choice, they definitely wouldn't bang females.
 
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Again, positive evidence trumps negative evidence. Unless your professor of law from Canada actively refuted the possibility that was raised, his claim is worthless and you refusing to acknowledge the point is an indication that you are trolling as usual.

So please, explain how your professor of law from Canada says it cannot.
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How about the fact that no one has been arrested or fined to date in Canada.

Did everyone in Canada magically stop misgendering?
 
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How about the fact that no one has been arrested or fined to date in Canada.

Did everyone in Canada magically stop misgendering?
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How about it? It does nothing to refute the argument presented in the article I linked you to.
 
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Does his disagreement actually have a reasoned rebuttal of the conclusion that you can provide for us to examine?
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Stated the facts of the act.

Your point relies on this extremely subjective, hypothetical opinion -

It is possible, Brown says, through a process that would start with a complaint and progress to a proceeding before a human rights tribunal. If the tribunal rules that harassment or discrimination took place, there would typically be an order for monetary and non-monetary remedies. A non-monetary remedy may include sensitivity training, issuing an apology, or even a publication ban, he says.

If the person refused to comply with the tribunal's order, this would result in a contempt proceeding being sent to the Divisional or Federal Court, Brown says. The court could then potentially send a person to jail “until they purge the contempt,” he says.
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Words used here are

If and potentially.

And there is several legal hurdles, where as per what the Canadian Law professor says, no sensible Canadian prosecutor would legitimately pursue this.

Note from you same source, just before this, it also said this

In the Criminal Code, which does not reference pronouns, Cossman says misusing pronouns alone would not constitute a criminal act.
“The misuse of gender pronouns, without more, cannot rise to the level of a crime,” she says. “It cannot rise to the level of advocating genocide, inciting hatred, hate speech or hate crimes … (it) simply cannot meet the threshold.”

The Canadian Human Rights Act does not mention pronouns either. The act protects certain groups from discrimination.

“Would it cover the accidental misuse of a pronoun? I would say it’s very unlikely,” Cossman says. “Would it cover a situation where an individual repeatedly, consistently refuses to use a person’s chosen pronoun? It might.”
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Words such as cannot are used.
 
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Stated the facts of the act.

Your point relies on this extremely subjective, hypothetical opinion -

Words used here are

If and potentially.

And there is several legal hurdles, where as per what the Canadian Law professor says, no sensible Canadian prosecutor would legitimately pursue this.

Note from you same source, just before this, it also said this

Words such as cannot are used.
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Except that we have historical precedent for the HRC jailing people, therefore the idea that the only way that people could be jailed for using the wrong pronouns on the grounds that it's not a crime is a BS argument. It in no way contradicts the possibility that was raised in what I quoted you.

Again, a negative general claim does not rebut a specific positive claim. All that you have demonstrated is that your professor is ignorant.
 
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Except that we have historical precedent for the HRC jailing people, therefore the idea that the only way that people could be jailed for using the wrong pronouns on the grounds that it's not a crime is a BS argument. It in no way contradicts the possibility that was raised in what I quoted you.

Again, a negative general claim does not rebut a specific positive claim. All that you have demonstrated is that your professor is ignorant.
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Precedent for other matters.

Canadian Law professors have determined you are incorrect.
 
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There you have it guys, case closed. The final authority has spoken, A Canadian Law professor disagrees with your argument. It's over. All is said and done, you can't come back from that.

You want to argue with A Canadian Law professor ....

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A Canadian Law proffesor vs Xarog's opinion?
 
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A Canadian Law proffesor vs Xarog's opinion?
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Eeeeediot


Two legal experts offer their perspective: Brenda Cossman, law professor at the University of Toronto and director of the Mark S. Bonham Centre for Sexual Diversity Studies, and Jared Brown, commercial litigator at Brown Litigation, who often works with corporate clients on employment law and human rights disputes.
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If someone refused to use a preferred pronoun — and it was determined to constitute discrimination or harassment — could that potentially result in jail time?

It is possible, Brown says, through a process that would start with a complaint and progress to a proceeding before a human rights tribunal. If the tribunal rules that harassment or discrimination took place, there would typically be an order for monetary and non-monetary remedies. A non-monetary remedy may include sensitivity training, issuing an apology, or even a publication ban, he says.

If the person refused to comply with the tribunal's order, this would result in a contempt proceeding being sent to the Divisional or Federal Court, Brown says. The court could then potentially send a person to jail “until they purge the contempt,” he says.

“It could happen,” Brown says. “Is it likely to happen? I don’t think so. But, my opinion on whether or not that's likely has a lot to do with the particular case that you're looking at.”

“The path to prison is not straightforward. It’s not easy. But, it’s there. It’s been used before in breach of tribunal orders.”
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The path was demonstrated by an expert. Your expert is silent on the issue raised by the expert I quoted. Apparently today is the day that Buka gave up reason for faith. :ROFL:
 
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