'Hundreds' of young trans people seeking help to return to original sex

[Eniigma]

When government forces people to accept lies it is a problem.

Really now... using the word "everybody" when referring to, uh, everybody is an issue of governmental deceit?

Honestly ask yourself this question please: who's the real snowflake here? I mean, you're not even slightly aware of how melodramatic this is?

Hoo shem.

I agree with both of you to a dregee.
If it's forced change is a problem, but really as an isolated event / action is nothing and getting upset over it is pointless.

The real issue for me is how normalised this acceptance of this mental disorder has become that companies feel the need to change their culture and language to pander to it.
Ladies and gentlement is so much more formal and elegant than, gettings everybody.

 

[SlinkyMike]

Comments?

Bro, I'm not watching your retarded alt right videos so that my YT feed gets clogged up with Ben Shapiro piffle. If you have a point then make it here on the forum, use your words.

 

[Emjay]

use your words.

You should take your own advise.

 

[Pegasus]

Bro, I'm not watching your retarded alt right videos so that my YT feed gets clogged up with Ben Shapiro piffle. If you have a point then make it here on the forum, use your words.

It’s a gay male. A leftist should be able to handle that.
I’d put up a Jordan Peterson video, but I do know that too much truth is violence to a leftist.

Your argument is that you will not listen to anyone else’s opinion and that you are right.
Any dissenting opinion you will shout down and attack the messenger.

 

[SlinkyMike]

The real issue for me is how normalised this acceptance of this mental disorder has become that companies feel the need to change their culture and language to pander to it.

I know this is opening a whole 'nother can of worms (har har) but those who would assert that gender dysphoria is a mental disorder are at odds with the DSM-5. In point of fact: the word "dysphoria" specifically moves away from the term "disorder" as the psychiatric community does not see people who suffer from it as 'disordered.'

Now I know the true kooks among you will call into question the great conspiracy that is modern medicine and frankly I don't wish to grant that concept the legitimacy of a debate. Suffice it to say that just as there are no atheists in foxholes - were you to be diagnosed with cancer tomorrow you'd probably (and suddenly) find great value in the work that has gone into chemotherapy. Just saying.

You'd probably do a lot better attacking the practice of psychiatry but I don't want to fuel the kook-fire here so let's just leave that there.

 

[Emjay]

It’s a gay male. A leftist should be able to handle that.
I’d put up a Jordan Peterson video, but I do know that too much truth is violence to a leftist.

Your argument is that you will not listen to anyone else’s opinion and that you are right.
Any dissenting opinion you will shout down and attack the messenger.

This is a guy who drops into a thread, tells everyone how despicable people are on the Right are, and then refuses to expand or elaborate. He is so full of himself. It's not surprising that his feed is full of TYT.

But, Douglas Murray actually has defended the Alt-Right. Careful with your links there, and double check your sources' backgrounds.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

That is why I came in here in the first place. The article is literal fake news and even confirms that in its own article, then the echo chamber that justified bigotry because, oh look at the danger of misgendering trans people.

What danger?

Hypothetical argument based on a low probability?

I actually went to go read the article for the first time, and your claims that it is fake news don't pass muster. You're just trolling, nothing more.

 

[Pegasus]

This is a guy who drops into a thread, tells everyone how despicable people are on the right are, and then refuses to expand or elaborate. He is so full of himself. It's not surprising that his feed is full of TYT.

But, Douglas Murray actually has defended the Alt-Right. Careful with your links there.

I’m Centre left myself, but these days the updated hippies / progressives would view me as a nazi.

 

[Emjay]

I’m Centre left myself, but these days the updated hippies / progressives would view me as a nazi.

Yeah, I get it 100%. You have not been around for very long, especially in the Trump thread, but there has been a massive obsession about my leanings as well, because I had the audacity to state I am Centrist.

But, we still need to guard ourselves and be careful who influences our thought. Douglas Murray is questionable. Listen, but guard yourself. I wouldn't post anything here though, because they will use that to label you Alt-Right, (which are white nationalists).

 

[SlinkyMike]

You should take your own advise.

*advice

...and how have I not been using my words?

It’s a gay male. A leftist should be able to handle that.
I’d put up a Jordan Peterson video, but I do know that too much truth is violence to a leftist.

Your argument is that you will not listen to anyone else’s opinion and that you are right.
Any dissenting opinion you will shout down and attack the messenger.

I am right. You are a victim of right wing propaganda who lapses into histrionic fits over "SJWs" and pronouns.

Prove otherwise. You can't because the evidence is all over this forum. I can show you several posts where you melt down over pronouns, can you show me one where anyone has asked you to use a specific pronoun?
It's just 'leftist' boogeymen all the way down.

Your "opinion" is only worth however far you can defend it. Turns out that's kind of hard when it's all alt right brainwashing. So make a point make it sound, make it watertight and I will respect it. I guarantee that, but do not expect me to respect your opinion purley by virtue of its existence.

This is a guy who drops into a thread, tells everyone how despicable people are on the Right are, and then refuses to expand or elaborate.

I have elaborated countless times and please give us all a break - don't pat yourself on the back for your Enlightened Centrism.

 

[Pegasus]

Yeah, I get it 100%. You have not been around for very long, especially in the Trump thread, but there has been a massive obsession about my leanings as well, because I had the audacity to state I am Centrist.

But, we still need to guard ourselves and be careful who influences our thought. Douglas Murray is questionable. Listen, but guard yourself. I wouldn't post anything here though, because they will use that to label you Alt-Right, (which are white nationalists).

I’ve read and watched more Noam Chomsky than Murray, I Think I’ll be ok.

 

[Pegasus]

*advice

...and how have I not been using my words?



I am right. You are a victim of right wing propaganda who lapses into histrionic fits over "SJWs" and pronouns.

Prove otherwise. You can't because the evidence is all over this forum. I can show you several posts where you melt down over pronouns, can you show me one where anyone has asked you to use a specific pronoun?
It's just 'leftist' boogeymen all the way down.

Your "opinion" is only worth however far you can defend it. Turns out that's kind of hard when it's all alt right brainwashing. So make a point make it sound, make it watertight and I will respect it. I guarantee that, but do not expect me to respect your opinion purley by virtue of its existence.



I have elaborated countless times.

Have I been brainwashed to believe that identity politics is a bad thing?

Can you brainwash me in the other direction?

 

[SoldierMan]

I know this is opening a whole 'nother can of worms (har har) but those who would assert that gender dysphoria is a mental disorder are at odds with the DSM-5. In point of fact: the word "dysphoria" specifically moves away from the term "disorder" as the psychiatric community does not see people who suffer from it as 'disordered.'

Now I know the true kooks among you will call into question the great conspiracy that is modern medicine and frankly I don't wish to grant that concept the legitimacy of a debate. Suffice it to say that just as there are no atheists in foxholes - were you to be diagnosed with cancer tomorrow you'd probably (and suddenly) find great value in the work that has gone into chemotherapy. Just saying.

You'd probably do a lot better attacking the practice of psychiatry but I don't want to fuel the kook-fire here so let's just leave that there.

Are you seriously comparing modern medicine to someone who wants to chop off their dick and "become a woman", or giving a 6-year old frikken hormone treatment to become the opposite sex. Wake the f up, it's not woke, it's called child abuse you liberal loony.!!!

 

[CT_Biker]

Perhaps LGBTQ communities need to re-assess the amount of support and actual guidance Transgender individuals are actually getting.

Perhaps the LGBTQ communities need to take a strong look inwards and address their the many hypocrisies and contravening states they so loudly shout in public.

 

[Pegasus]

Are you seriously comparing modern medicine to someone who wants to chop off their dick and "become a woman", or giving a 6-year old frikken hormone treatment to become the opposite sex. Wake the f up, it's not woke, it's called child abuse you liberal loony.!!!

He’s progressive, not liberal.

 

[SlinkyMike]

Have I been brainwashed to believe that identity politics is a bad thing?

Can you brainwash me in the other direction?

Well... even the way you use the term "Identity Politics" is pejorative. There is nothing inherently negative about identity politics, in point of fact it is important to protect against oppression. Would you say that 1st wave feminism is intrinsically negative and that women do not have a right to vote? In the day of the suffragettes that was the identity politics of the day.

It's also wildly melodramatic to cast pronoun usage as identity politics, that's a trick the right uses to trivialise important issues pertaining to liberalism and progressive political views. But even so: who does it harm if a person is called "him" or "they" it's just such a tiny courtesy - it's hard to fathom how it could have become so contentious... util you recognise the rights need for boogeymen, then it all falls into place.

Look, let's put all this ugliness aside and employ the universal language of mathematics, this is just for you - I'm not even going to check your work.

If you truly believe that you are a Centrist then make two columns, A and B.

In A put all the times you have decried the left, used the word "leftist" pejoratively and had a fit over pronouns.

In B put down all the times you have even so much as questioned right wing media.

...if those columns are of equal length you may well be a true centrist, if they are not then you can see which side you lean to. Judging by your posts in this forum and your sources it's going to be pretty heavily right leaning I'm willing to bet.

 

[SlinkyMike]

Are you seriously comparing modern medicine to someone who wants to chop off their dick and "become a woman", or giving a 6-year old frikken hormone treatment to become the opposite sex. Wake the f up, it's not woke, it's called child abuse you liberal loony.!!!

Do you even know what the DSM is? Honest question...

 

[SoldierMan]

Do you even know what the DSM is? Honest question...

Like others it is a mental disorder, not something you should aspire to!

 

[buka001]

I actually went to go read the article for the first time, and your claims that it is fake news don't pass muster. You're just trolling, nothing more.

From the article -

There is currently no data to reflect the number who may be unhappy in their new gender or who may opt to detransition to their biological sex.

There is currently no data. What does no data mean?

Why do you think people might be unhappy? Bullying? Discrimination? Being told they are mentally ill?

 

[Gingerbeardman]

From the article -

There is currently no data. What does no data mean?

Just because someone didn't publish the results in a peer-reviewed journal doesn't mean that personal testimonies as reported by newspapers is invalid. You're selectively choosing to ignore the details in the story which corroborates the core claims, claiming that the lack of data claim somehow contradicts the personal accounts when in fact it does no such thing. The evidence troll strikes again. Don't you get tired of being this disingenuous?

Why do you think people might be unhappy? Bullying? Discrimination? Being told they are mentally ill?

What I know of the literature indicates that the de-transition rate is pretty high and that for the majority the confusion appears to be temporary, with the majority of gender confused prepubescent children turning out to be perfectly happy in their own bodies as pubescent homosexuals. So it doesn't surprise me that with the explosion of the trans fad that the numbers of people who wanted to detransition would also increase dramatically, and your allegations of fake news aren't worth the pixels it takes to display them.