'Hundreds' of young trans people seeking help to return to original sex

[Gingerbeardman]

And frankly, it boggles my mind that anyone would think that the first resort with regard to dealing with this problem would be hormone and surgical intervention. Imagine going to a shrink for depression and getting a plastic surgery recommendation as a result, who in their right minds would consider this sage advice? And then people are surprised when the experiment is carried out on people en masse and buyers remorse starts to set in???

I mean really, it reminds me of the time when frontal lobotomies were considered the height of medicinal intervention...

 

[buka001]

Just because someone didn't publish the results in a peer-reviewed journal doesn't mean that personal testimonies as reported by newspapers is invalid. You're selectively choosing to ignore the details in the story which corroborates the core claims, claiming that the lack of data claim somehow contradicts the personal accounts when in fact it does no such thing. The evidence troll strikes again. Don't you get tired of being this disingenuous?


What I know of the literature indicates that the de-transition rate is pretty high and that for the majority the confusion appears to be temporary, with the majority of gender confused prepubescent children turning out to be perfectly happy in their own bodies as pubescent homosexuals. So it doesn't surprise me that with the explosion of the trans fad that the numbers of people who wanted to detransition would also increase dramatically, and your allegations of fake news aren't worth the pixels it takes to display them.

Got it.

Next time someone posts opinion that goes against your view, I have this response for you.

No data is no data.

They speak to one or two people and one of them claims without evidence or being asked for that evidence.

Your standard of evidence for proof has been defined.

One week it has to be ruled in a court of law, the next week, an opinion without evidence is all good.

Got ya.

 

[buka001]

And frankly, it boggles my mind that anyone would think that the first resort with regard to dealing with this problem would be hormone and surgical intervention. Imagine going to a shrink for depression and getting a plastic surgery recommendation as a result, who in their right minds would consider this sage advice? And then people are surprised when the experiment is carried out on people en masse and buyers remorse starts to set in???

I mean really, it reminds me of the time when frontal lobotomies were considered the height of medicinal intervention...

You won't believe this.

...

Wait for it

...

I absolutely agree with you 100% here.

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What gets me though is the latent bigotry. Look if someone did decide to do it, then so be it. Leave him or her alone to be what they want to be. Telling them they are mentally ill or degenerate etc, is counter productive.

There are 2 transgender people at my work. Totally oblivious to it. Their transition was their choice and so be it.

 

[Pegasus]

*advice

...and how have I not been using my words?



I am right. You are a victim of right wing propaganda who lapses into histrionic fits over "SJWs" and pronouns.

Prove otherwise. You can't because the evidence is all over this forum. I can show you several posts where you melt down over pronouns, can you show me one where anyone has asked you to use a specific pronoun?
It's just 'leftist' boogeymen all the way down.

Your "opinion" is only worth however far you can defend it. Turns out that's kind of hard when it's all alt right brainwashing. So make a point make it sound, make it watertight and I will respect it. I guarantee that, but do not expect me to respect your opinion purley by virtue of its existence.



I have elaborated countless times and please give us all a break - don't pat yourself on the back for your Enlightened Centrism.

To summarise, you assume that I must be alt right (So you can do the strawman thingy). And, there’s lots of conspiracy theories against progressives.

I was going to assume that you're one of those UCT students that typically spend 5 years in the first year of a BA degree that aspires to become a high level EFF cadre. But I'm too nice to say a thing like that.
Although, if one could assume their gender based on emotions; I could assume anything and you have to believe it, or you are a bigot.

Let’s save some time....




Talk to me like I'm a beginner progressive.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

Got it.

Next time someone posts opinion that goes against your view, I have this response for you.

No data is no data.

If someone personally has dealt with hundreds of people who are trying to detransition, that justifies the story, even though the personal claim has not been explicitly measured such that it could be called "data", which usually requires explicit quantification as a criterion.

They speak to one or two people and one of them claims without evidence or being asked for that evidence.

You're such a pathetic lying little papsmear.

Here's what the article in the OP says:

"I'm in communication with 19 and 20-year-olds who have had full gender reassignment surgery who wish they hadn't, and their dysphoria hasn't been relieved, they don't feel better for it," she says.
"They don't know what their options are now."
Charlie says she has been contacted by "hundreds" of people seeking help - 30 people alone in her area of Newcastle.

And yet you claim this is fake news. Troll.

Your standard of evidence for proof has been defined.

One week it has to be ruled in a court of law, the next week, an opinion without evidence is all good.

Got ya.

I have no reason to disbelieve a personal account someone gives when it agrees with the general mechanism of action that has been expressed in the aforementioned literature, especially when nobody has seen fit to discredit it. You are nothing but an evidence troll.

 

[buka001]

If someone personally has dealt with hundreds of people who are trying to detransition, that justifies the story, even though the personal claim has not been explicitly measured such that it could be called "data", which usually requires explicit quantification as a criterion.


You're such a pathetic lying little papsmear.

Here's what the article in the OP says:

And yet you claim this is fake news. Troll.


I have no reason to disbelieve a personal account someone gives when it agrees with the general mechanism of action that has been expressed in the aforementioned literature, especially when nobody has seen fit to discredit it. You are nothing but an evidence troll.

And if the person has an agenda?

How are we to verify this?

Why the appeal to authority fallacy? The journalist could easily have spoken with the NHS for an expert view.

You will balk at any climate change science, but happily take the opinion here at face value because it suits your agenda.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

And if the person has an agenda?

How are we to verify this?

Why the appeal to authority fallacy? The journalist could easily have spoken with the NHS for an expert view.

You will balk at any climate change science, but happily take the opinion here at face value because it suits your agenda.

You don't have any basis to claim it fake news. I was calling BS on your claim, the burden of proof lies on you, not me.

Evidence trolling ftl.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

You won't believe this.

...

Wait for it

...

I absolutely agree with you 100% here.

...


What gets me though is the latent bigotry. Look if someone did decide to do it, then so be it. Leave him or her alone to be what they want to be. Telling them they are mentally ill or degenerate etc, is counter productive.

There are 2 transgender people at my work. Totally oblivious to it. Their transition was their choice and so be it.

With friends like you, a person doesn't need enemies. One would think that if you actually cared about transgender people that you wouldn't troll threads with garbage that only serves to inflame the situation.

But you carry on with your white-knight-with-a-chip-on-his-shoulder routine, it's fuggen hilarious how you SJWs do nothing but provoke the very behaviour in everyone you're claiming to oppose!

 

[buka001]

You don't have any basis to claim it fake news. I was calling BS on your claim, the burden of proof lies on you, not me.

Evidence trolling ftl.

I have all the evidence.

No data.

 

[buka001]

With friends like you, a person doesn't need enemies. One would think that if you actually cared about transgender people that you wouldn't troll threads with garbage that only serves to inflame the situation.

But you carry on with your white-knight-with-a-chip-on-his-shoulder routine, it's fuggen hilarious how you SJWs do nothing but provoke the very behaviour in everyone you're claiming to oppose!

Meh you and your insults. I wonder if you think they actually do anything?

Anyway. One of the pivotal moments in my understanding of this was the transition of one of the US Navy Seals from Seal Team 6 that was on the raid that killed Osama Bin Laden, from male to female.

Seeing how the prejudices of her squad mates were challenged and how they accepted her as who she was because at the end of the day despite the hormones and so on, she was still the same person who had their back and would die for them at any time.
Seeing that process unfold was eye opening and realised if those guys can accept people as they are, I am sure with better understanding so can other people.

But, it is all too easy to get sucked into the hysterics.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

I have all the evidence.

No data.

And who said that data was all that mattered? You. Why should I care about your arbitrary stipulations? I shouldn't.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

Meh you and your insults. I wonder if you think they actually do anything?

It's not an insult, it's a blunt fact. You are the like the worst friend transgender people could ever have, all you do is alienate people with poor reasoning and hyperbolic and incendiary claims.

 

[buka001]

It's not an insult, it's a blunt fact. You are the like the worst friend transgender people could ever have, all you do is alienate people with poor reasoning and hyperbolic and incendiary claims.

Nice deflection.

Meanwhile this thread is awash with people calling them mentally ill.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

Nice deflection.

Your claim of deflection is projection.

Meanwhile this thread is awash with people calling them mentally ill.

And what did you do to help the situation? Nothing. You wasted all your time failing to debunk the news in the OP and climbing aboard the Jordan Peterson hate-train. You think anyone's going to listen to someone obviously displaying signs of mental illness regarding who is and isn't mentally ill?

 

[j4ck455]

I still can't get my head around people who think they are not the right sex. And this just goes to prove it. They "feel" like they are the wrong sex, but then realise they aren't. Just because I feel like a billionaire doesn't mean I am stinking rich. This whole "I identify as a .... " is a crock of bull. And kids of 19 - 20 who have already had surgery? Must have parents who pander to every whim, or worse, are like Charlize.

If you are born with an "outie" you are a male. If you are born with an "innie" you are a female. It's not a mistake like having a third ear. Only time that it becomes grey is where parts are missing or duplicated. But that is an actual medical problem.

I don't see why surgery is ever necessary when the gender confused generation can probably buy strapon solutions from Alibaba or for a more personalised strapon there is always the 3D printing option.

 

[Techne]

Nice deflection.

Meanwhile this thread is awash with people calling them mentally ill.

You still think this virtue signalling BS works? Sorry, not when it enables child abuse from mentally fkup adults. GFY.

 

[Dairyfarmer]

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Like the graphs. They are very appropriate to the subject. The second one loses the balls and then it gets very pink.

 

[Techne]

I am right. You are a victim of right wing propaganda who lapses into histrionic fits over "SJWs" and pronouns.

Prove otherwise. You can't because the evidence is all over this forum. I can show you several posts where you melt down over pronouns, can you show me one where anyone has asked you to use a specific pronoun?
It's just 'leftist' boogeymen all the way down.

Your "opinion" is only worth however far you can defend it. Turns out that's kind of hard when it's all alt right brainwashing. So make a point make it sound, make it watertight and I will respect it. I guarantee that, but do not expect me to respect your opinion purley by virtue of its existence.

Did you just assume xiers indoctrination status? What a bigot and transphobe

 

[Nick333]

They're not fukkin women.
They will never be fukkin women.
Men - own your schit. These are yours.

What about women who think they're men, like the person in the OP?

 

[Aquila ka Hecate]

What about women who think they're men, like the person in the OP?

They're not fukkin men.
They will never be fukkin men.
Interesting thing is there are more females wanting to transition to male than males to female, among the younger generation.
Women are owning this ****, however, and not having hysterics about trans men having to use the gents, or compete in the men's sports category or beating people up who misgender them.
There seems to be a fundamental difference in approach between MtF and FtM transgender folk.
I wonder what that difference could be?