'Hundreds' of young trans people seeking help to return to original sex

[Tokolotshe]

I am just raising this here again.

This study:

Parent reports of adolescents and young adults perceived to show signs of a rapid onset of gender dysphoria

Purpose In on-line forums, parents have reported that their children seemed to experience a sudden or rapid onset of gender dysphoria, appearing for the first time during puberty or even after its completion. Parents describe that the onset of gender dysphoria seemed to occur in the context of...

journals.plos.org

Was pulled because:

As a Former Dean of Harvard Medical School, I Question Brown’s Failure to Defend Lisa Littman

This week’s controversy surrounding an academic paper on gender dysphoria published by Brown University assistant professor Lisa Littman—brought on by the post-publication questioning of Dr Littman’s scholarship by both the journal that published it, PLOS One, and Brown’s own School of Public...

quillette.com

No one is saying that improving acceptance and tolerance towards people who suffer from this is wrong. Creating tolerance is sure something that is in dire need across the entirety of our society. However, approaching this issue with only that goal in mind is counter productive, and (imo) extremely harmful.

Right.

Increasingly, research on politically charged topics is subject to indiscriminate attack on social media, which in turn can pressure school administrators to subvert established norms regarding the protection of free academic inquiry. What’s needed is a campaign to mobilize the academic community to protect our ability to conduct and communicate such research, whether or not the methods and conclusions provoke controversy or even outrage.

In this woke world it is perfectly safe to go press your ear against a red hot stove plate. There is no common sense or no studies that are at least peer reviewed twenty times to say it's not. So it must be safe? So, some bloke that read a study somewhere is now an expert and trumps life's experience. Sounds good?

I would have had no problem with this if somebody wanted to do stupid, except these theories gets forced down our throats while the jury is still out and nobody knows what the hell they are really talking about. The WHO issue you mention is a case in point. Yet that is used as a building block in further stupid arguments - this thread being a case in point.

Common sense has become pretty uncommon and unfashionable. Of course everything not on the side of the extreme left is extreme right, even if centrist. There is no middle ground for this lot.

Common sense and traditional wisdom says "Anything not in moderation is bad". Hey, let's circle jerk style peer reviewed studies to disprove that!?

Yet this is what we see in daily life, no matter how destructive it is, who or what it destroys. The results matters not, the narrative is all important.

 

[Eniigma]

It is an intervention.

We're all trying to turn you into a moderate before it's too late for you.

Your parents felt that you needed an intervention. And that you need to enjoy life, its never been so good on this planet, and you're going to miss all of it.

FTFY.

@SlinkyMike It's ok, we all love you and are here for you, it's a safe place.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

Right.

In this woke world it is perfectly safe to go press your ear against a red hot stove plate. There is no common sense or no studies that are at least peer reviewed twenty times to say it's not. So it must be safe? So, some bloke that read a study somewhere is now an expert and trumps life's experience. Sounds good?

I would have had no problem with this if somebody wanted to do stupid, except these theories gets forced down our throats while the jury is still out and nobody knows what the hell they are really talking about. The WHO issue you mention is a case in point. Yet that is used as a building block in further stupid arguments - this thread being a case in point.

Common sense has become pretty uncommon and unfashionable. Of course everything not on the side of the extreme left is extreme right, even if centrist. There is no middle ground for this lot.

Common sense and traditional wisdom says "Anything not in moderation is bad". Hey, let's circle jerk style peer reviewed studies to disprove that!?

Yet this is what we see in daily life, no matter how destructive it is, who or what it destroys. The results matters not, the narrative is all important.

Yup. Basically this stuff has to be opposed in principle. Some people may be caught in the crossfire, and sure, it sucks for them, but priorities are priorities.

 

[buka001]

You're really bad at identifying logical fallacies.

Pointing out that you're comparing unlike things is not creating a strawman.

BTW gay suicide rates were nothing like trans suicide rates. Nothing is like trans suicide rates.

I disagree.

She said I was conflating the two, where I was not. I clarified that I understand they are not the same but the parallels are definitely apparent.

Both homosexuality and transgenderism have been classified as mental illness.

Both homosexual and transgender people have higher rates of suicide than the general population, where the contributing factors for the higher suicide rates for both cases are discrimination, bullying and so on.

If you cannot see the similarities then well it is pointless.

That is why I showed that studies have shown that acceptance of homosexuality has seen a decline in the rates of suicide amongst homosexual people, illustrating that with increased acceptance, the matter is destigmatised and subsequently people feel safer and more comfortable to be who they are.

 

[Pegasus]

I disagree.

She said I was conflating the two, where I was not. I clarified that I understand they are not the same but the parallels are definitely apparent.

Both homosexuality and transgenderism have been classified as mental illness.

Both homosexual and transgender people have higher rates of suicide than the general population, where the contributing factors for the higher suicide rates for both cases are discrimination, bullying and so on.

If you cannot see the similarities then well it is pointless.

That is why I showed that studies have shown that acceptance of homosexuality has seen a decline in the rates of suicide amongst homosexual people, illustrating that with increased acceptance, the matter is destigmatised and subsequently people feel safer and more comfortable to be who they are.

It sounds more and more like you are having gender issues yourself.

How can we help?
We are all experts on every possible topic here.

 

[Tokolotshe]

Both homosexual and transgender people have higher rates of suicide than the general population, where the contributing factors for the higher suicide rates for both cases are discrimination, bullying and so on.

Just put the kool aid aside a bit. Have you ever seen the abuse that goes on in these relationships? Unfortunately I don't have twenty gazillion peer reviewed studies, but I could introduce you to Muis. She makes Jan Spies se Hangkas tannie look like 'n weakling. And she donners her partners even harder. I felt sorry for her partner, a beautiful lady. Likewise I could introduce you to somebody that abused somebody close to me. Her partner also defended her when the **** hit the proverbial fan, only to later divorce her with pending assault charges. Guess where I heard of converting the first time. I had to protect a friend from being gang raped.

No, I'm not saying the whole community is like that either. I have some strange friends I respect very much and care about. But I don't go drinking the SJW narrative kool aid, I rather put a reality spin on it.

 

[buka001]

It sounds more and more like you are having gender issues yourself.

How can we help?
We are all experts on every possible topic here.

Ja swaer, taking a page out of Xarogs playbook.

Only issue I have here is the discrimination and bigotry in this thread.

There are 2 transgender people at my work. Before their transition to now, they are still the same person on the inside. Same character, same work ethic, same sense of humour. They are by a million miles no where near mentally ill.

To become a transgender on a fkn construction site as a labourer takes serious courage.

 

[Tokolotshe]

To become a transgender on a fkn construction site as a labourer takes serious courage.

Shame, should have taken a page from "Tannie" Rose's playbook. She worked at Iscor as a crane operator. Her stukkie was a beauty. If the guys that needed stuff moved whistled too enthusiastically at her stukkie, they got donnered. Strangely she hadno issues, but the guys were too scared to ask her stukkie to move stuff

 

[Pegasus]

Ja swaer, taking a page out of Xarogs playbook.

Only issue I have here is the discrimination and bigotry in this thread.

There are 2 transgender people at my work. Before their transition to now, they are still the same person on the inside. Same character, same work ethic, same sense of humour. They are by a million miles no where near mentally ill.

To become a transgender on a fkn construction site as a labourer takes serious courage.

They should just rebrand themselves as lady boys.
That’s been normalized long ago.

 

[buka001]

Just put the kool aid aside a bit. Have you ever seen the abuse that goes on in these relationships? Unfortunately I don't have twenty gazillion peer reviewed studies, but I could introduce you to Muis. She makes Jan Spies se Hangkas tannie look like 'n weakling. And she donners her partners even harder. I felt sorry for her partner, a beautiful lady. Likewise I could introduce you to somebody that abused somebody close to me. Her partner also defended her when the **** hit the proverbial fan, only to later divorce her with pending assault charges. Guess where I heard of converting the first time. I had to protect a friend from being gang raped.

No, I'm not saying the whole community is like that either. I have some strange friends I respect very much and care about. But I don't go drinking the SJW narrative kool aid, I rather put a reality spin on it.

Have you ever seen the abuse that goes on in heterosexual relationships?

 

[MavChat]

I identify as a lesbian as I believe I am one trapped in a mans body. I can affirm this I have seen many lesbian videos and there is nothing those ladies do to eachother that I would not do to them...

 

[Tokolotshe]

Have you ever seen the abuse that goes on in heterosexual relationships?

Yes, but that is not the point. It's not either/or. It works both ways. So irrelevant.

 

[Nick333]

I disagree.

She said I was conflating the two, where I was not. I clarified that I understand they are not the same but the parallels are definitely apparent.

Both homosexuality and transgenderism have been classified as mental illness.

Both homosexual and transgender people have higher rates of suicide than the general population, where the contributing factors for the higher suicide rates for both cases are discrimination, bullying and so on.

If you cannot see the similarities then well it is pointless.

That is why I showed that studies have shown that acceptance of homosexuality has seen a decline in the rates of suicide amongst homosexual people, illustrating that with increased acceptance, the matter is destigmatised and subsequently people feel safer and more comfortable to be who they are.

I disagree.

She said I was conflating the two, where I was not. I clarified that I understand they are not the same but the parallels are definitely apparent.

Both homosexuality and transgenderism have been classified as mental illness.

Both homosexual and transgender people have higher rates of suicide than the general population, where the contributing factors for the higher suicide rates for both cases are discrimination, bullying and so on.

If you cannot see the similarities then well it is pointless.

That is why I showed that studies have shown that acceptance of homosexuality has seen a decline in the rates of suicide amongst homosexual people, illustrating that with increased acceptance, the matter is destigmatised and subsequently people feel safer and more comfortable to be who they are.

Ja, but why compare those two things? They are nothing alike except in how society has perceived and perceives them. Sexual desire and the belief that you are or can be something that you are physically not. One is a fact - I desire to have sex with such and such, the other is a delusion - I feel like I am something I am not. The latter is more comparable to a mental illness the sufferers of which are also prone to being bullied, discriminated against and stigmatised. Shall I tell you why? Because its a slight of hand that tacks a T onto LGB in order to instantly normalise a delusional sub group and use the same sort of hard won protections that gays have earned. Problem is gays like to fcck people of their same sex and transgender feel they are something that they can't possibly be or even begin to know what it feels like to be. By that same logic, because it's actually none of our business who someone chooses to have consensual sex with, we should also accept that the raving hobo in the street is a CIA agent in an alcoholics body. And if you think that's an insulting thing to compare a trans person to, one ask yourself why a delusional homeless person is less deserving of your compassion than a trans person, and two you might now have some idea how it feels for a lesbian, gay or bi person to be compared to someone with gender disphoria, just because others like them were also once considered to be sufferers of a mental illness.

 

[Nick333]

Have you ever seen the abuse that goes on in heterosexual relationships?

Can you stop with the whataboutisms?

 

[Pegasus]

Can you stop with the whataboutisms?

What about slinkmike?

 

[Nick333]

What about slinkmike?

I don't know. What about him?

 

[dualmeister]

**** is doesn't stop.

https://nationalpost.com/news/air-canada-drops-ladies-and-gentlemen-greeting-onboard-planes-for-a-gender-neutral-welcome

 

[buka001]

Can you stop with the whataboutisms?

What is the relevance of his point?

There is abuse in hetero and homosexual relationships. So wow surprise there is also abuse in transgender relationships.

So what is the point?

 

[buka001]

Ja, but why compare those two things? They are nothing alike except in how society has perceived and perceives them. Sexual desire and the belief that you are or can be something that you are physically not. One is a fact - I desire to have sex with such and such, the other is a delusion - I feel like I am something I am not. The latter is more comparable to a mental illness the sufferers of which are also prone to being bullied, discriminated against and stigmatised. Shall I tell you why? Because its a slight of hand that tacks a T onto LGB in order to instantly normalise a delusional sub group and use the same sort of hard won protections that gays have earned. Problem is gays like to fcck people of their same sex and transgender feel they are something that they can't possibly be or even begin to know what it feels like to be. By that same logic, because it's actually none of our business who someone chooses to have consensual sex with, we should also accept that the raving hobo in the street is a CIA agent in an alcoholics body. And if you think that's an insulting thing to compare a trans person to, one ask yourself why a delusional homeless person is less deserving of your compassion than a trans person, and two you might now have some idea how it feels for a lesbian, gay or bi person to be compared to someone with gender disphoria, just because others like them were also once considered to be sufferers of a mental illness.

That is my point.

How society perceives them.

That is driving the discrimination. Perceptions.

 

[Tokolotshe]

What is the relevance of his point?

There is abuse in hetero and homosexual relationships. So wow surprise there is also abuse in transgender relationships.

So what is the point?

Ty.

The point is the abuse that you pointed out is not specifically unique to any group. So why use that as a crutch and to drive a narrative?