'Hundreds' of young trans people seeking help to return to original sex

[Pegasus]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1184551922369351680

 

[Nick333]

Sorry but science trumps common sense any day (and yes, there is more than enough evidence that heat burns)
You can't have an 'article' with a heading saying 'Hundreds' of young trans people seeking help to return to original sex' when actually nobody has any idea if it hundreds or 1 or 2. But hey, you do you, if you want to reject science for 'common sense' and other logical fallacies, I've no problem with that.

OK. I'll bite. What science says hundreds of trans people aren't seeking help to detransition?

 

[Gingerbeardman]

Sorry but science trumps common sense any day (and yes, there is more than enough evidence that heat burns)
You can't have an 'article' with a heading saying 'Hundreds' of young trans people seeking help to return to original sex' when actually nobody has any idea if it hundreds or 1 or 2. But hey, you do you, if you want to reject science for 'common sense' and other logical fallacies, I've no problem with that.

Schit like this is why I don't give these mooks the time of day.

One the one hand you're supposed to respect lived experience and all that crud.

Charlie Evans, 28, was born female but identified as male for nearly 10 years before detransitioning.
Charlie says she has been contacted by "hundreds" of people seeking help - 30 people alone in her area of Newcastle.

"I think some of the common characteristics are that they tend to be around their mid-20s, they're mostly female and mostly same-sex attracted, and often autistic as well."

Charlie's lived experience is not data, why?

If Charlie's lived experience is not data, then we have zero data to support the existence of gender dysphoria because it is all self-report lived-experience auto-ethnographic nonsense.

Hypocrites.

 

[C4Cat]

OK. I'll bite. What science says hundreds of trans people aren't seeking help to detransition?

Don't bite, rather drink from Russell's teapot

Nobody has claimed hundreds of trans people aren't seeking help to detransition - the claim is that they are and it's a baseless claim.

 

[Nick333]

Don't bite, rather drink from Russell's teapot

Nobody has claimed hundreds of trans people aren't seeking help to detransition - the claim is that they are and it's a baseless claim.

But how do you know its baseless? Are you clairvoyant? Do you know the person making the claim? Are you god? Are you talking out your ass?

 

[C4Cat]

Schit like this is why I don't give these mooks the time of day.

One the one hand you're supposed to respect lived experience and all that crud.


Charlie's lived experience is not data, why?

If Charlie's lived experience is not data, then we have zero data to support the existence of gender dysphoria because it is all self-report lived-experience auto-ethnographic nonsense.

Hypocrites.

Charlies lived experience wasn't scientifically validated. It's not hard to understand. People make up **** all the time, are mistaken all the time, are misunderstood and misquoted and mislead. People have bad memories and unreal experiences - science is the best tool we have for separating fact from fiction and you don't just ignore it because it doesn't suit your worldview. It would be relatively easy to gather the required data in a scientific way so rather than making **** up for media sensationalism, gather the data and then write your headline

 

[C4Cat]

But how do you know its baseless? Are you clairvoyant? Do you know the person making the claim? Are you god? Are you talking out your ass?

It's baseless because the article specifically says they have no data to support it.

There is currently no data to reflect the number who may be unhappy in their new gender or who may opt to detransition to their biological sex.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

Charlies lived experience wasn't scientifically validated.

Lol, how do you scientifically validate autoethnography?

Autoethnography - Wikipedia

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Autoethnography is a form of qualitative research in which an author uses self-reflection and writing to explore anecdotal and personal experience and connect this autobiographical story to wider cultural, political, and social meanings and understandings.[1][2] Autoethnography is a self-reflective form of writing used across various disciplines such as communication studies, performance studies, education, English literature, anthropology, social work, sociology, history, psychology, religious studies, marketing, business and educational administration, arts education, and physiotherapy.

Congrats dumbass, you just debunked the entirety of queer studies as non-science.

It's not hard to understand. People make up **** all the time, are mistaken all the time, are misunderstood and misquoted and mislead. People have bad memories and unreal experiences - science is the best tool we have for separating fact from fiction and you don't just ignore it because it doesn't suit your worldview. It would be relatively easy to gather the required data in a scientific way so rather than making **** up for media sensationalism, gather the data and then write your headline

So which is it, is lived experience a valid source of data or not?

 

[Tokolotshe]

Sorry but science trumps common sense any day (and yes, there is more than enough evidence that heat burns)
You can't have an 'article' with a heading saying 'Hundreds' of young trans people seeking help to return to original sex' when actually nobody has any idea if it hundreds or 1 or 2. But hey, you do you, if you want to reject science for 'common sense' and other logical fallacies, I've no problem with that.

But then again you don't understand or acknowledge how the game being played. There is no exact paper showing that heat in excess will burn your ears. If somebody does it and the Kool Aid gang decides it's not appropriate, it will not see the daylight. If it somehow does, the Kool Aid gang will slate it into oblivion

Even you cannot claim to not know it. Here, have some more Kool Aid.

 

[C4Cat]

But then again you don't understand or acknowledge how the game being played. There is no exact paper showing that heat in excess will burn your ears. If somebody does it and the Kool Aid gang decides it's not appropriate, it will not see the daylight. If it somehow does, the Kool Aid gang will slate it into oblivion

Even you cannot claim to not know it. Here, have some more Kool Aid.

Yes ok sollie, lets just believe anything anyone says without any validation or evidence whatsoever, just because it suits our narrative. Fantastic idea. Who needs science and evidence and data anyway.

 

[C4Cat]

Lol, how do you scientifically validate autoethnography?

Autoethnography - Wikipedia

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Congrats dumbass, you just debunked the entirety of queer studies as non-science.



So which is it, is lived experience a valid source of data or not?

um... it's not hard to validate these claims. You collect the data and put that data through statistical analysis. You investigate how many people have approached doctors, you send out questionnaires. That way you validate whether the claims made are accurate or not. It has nothing to do with autoethnography

 

[Gingerbeardman]

um... it's not hard to validate these claims. You collect the data and put that data through statistical analysis. You investigate how many people have approached doctors, you send out questionnaires. That way you validate whether the claims made are accurate or not. It has nothing to do with autoethnography

Sorry, why is one person saying they've been contacted by "hundreds" of people not a valid data point to claim that scientific evidence shows there are "hundreds" of people interested in detransitioning?

This is an autoethnographic account, saying it has nothing to do with autoethnography when it very clearly does is just lies on your part.

 

[buka001]

Sorry, why is one person saying they've been contacted by "hundreds" of people not a valid data point to claim that scientific evidence shows there are "hundreds" of people interested in detransitioning?

This is an autoethnographic account, saying it has nothing to do with autoethnography when it very clearly does is just lies on your part.

Xarog rebutts Xarog

How many times have you shoved down the throats of us here, the story of the mockery of Academic Grievance studies (Sokal Squared Scandal)?

2 of the papers submitted were claimed to be autoethnographic studies.

Now you want to soak up an autoethnographic claim, that lacks evidence to support that claim?

And anyway the claim is not an autoethnographic study, you are just spinning BS to support your point.

It is a claim, that has no evidence to back it up with. They could be lying to get more financial support.

I mean I could say I spoke with hundreds of engineers and they think anyone who says 911 is a conspiracy is mentally ill. You have to believe me, because it is an autoethnographic study.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

Xarog rebutts Xarog

How many times have you shoved down the throats of us here, the story of the mockery of Academic Grievance studies (Sokal Squared Scandal)?

2 of the papers submitted were claimed to be autoethnographic studies.

But exactly. You don't get to buy into all thise trangender malarkey about pronouns being exclusionary and all that crud without dipping your toes into the muck that is queer studies, but you want to at the same time speak as if your opinions are supposed to be backed by science?

Now you want to soak up an autoethnographic claim, that lacks evidence to support that claim?

And anyway the claim is not an autoethnographic study, you are just spinning BS to support your point.

The claim is as valid as an autoethnographic study, and would be perfectly acceptable within the strictures applied by such studies.

It is a claim, that has no evidence to back it up with. They could be lying to get more financial support.

Where's your evidence that they are lying? You don't have any, you're just choosing to disbelieve sources you find inconvenient, the thing you were accusing me of earlier. Saying that the source is a liar is not the same thing as saying the claims have no source.

I mean I could say I spoke with hundreds of engineers and they think anyone who says 911 is a conspiracy is mentally ill. You have to believe me, because it is an autoethnographic study.

But that's exactly what all this trans nonsense boils down to.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

There is only one paragraph of any value in this sensationalist nonsense masquerading as an article:

The research that is out there is worth looking at, though.

What does the scholarly research say about the effect of gender transition on transgender well-being? | What We Know

Overview We conducted a systematic literature review of all peer-reviewed articles published in English between 1991 and June 2017 that assess the effect of gender transition on transgender well-being. We identified 55 studies that consist of primary research on this topic, of which 51 (93%)...

whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu

1. The scholarly literature makes clear that gender transition is effective in treating gender dysphoria and can significantly improve the well-being of transgender individuals.

2. Among the positive outcomes of gender transition and related medical treatments for transgender individuals are improved quality of life, greater relationship satisfaction, higher self-esteem and confidence, and reductions in anxiety, depression, suicidality, and substance use.

3. The positive impact of gender transition on transgender well-being has grown considerably in recent years, as both surgical techniques and social support have improved.

This one being key to the topic at hand:

Regrets following gender transition are extremely rare and have become even rarer as both surgical techniques and social support have improved. Pooling data from numerous studies demonstrates a regret rate ranging from .3 percent to 3.8 percent. Regrets are most likely to result from a lack of social support after transition or poor surgical outcomes using older techniques.

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A large study of transgender adolescents from the Netherlands found that only 1.9 percent of those who hit puberty and start puberty blockers decide to stop treatment.

Mental Health and Self-Worth in Socially Transitioned Transgender Youth

Social transitions are increasingly common for transgender children. A social transition involves a child presenting to other people as a member of the “opposite” gender in all contexts (e.g., wearing clothes and using pronouns of that ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Compared with their siblings and age- and gender-matched controls, no significant increases in anxiety and depression were observed. These findings were notable because previous work with gender-nonconforming children who had not socially transitioned reported drastically increased rates of anxiety and depression, with more than 50% of older children falling in the clinical range of internalizing symptoms.

Young Trans Children Know Who They Are

A new study shows that gender-nonconforming kids who go on to transition already have a strong sense of their true identity—one that differs from their assigned gender.

www.theatlantic.com

By studying the 85 gender-nonconforming children she recruited, her team has now shown, in two separate ways, that those who go on to transition do so because they already have a strong sense of their identity.

So, we should just reduce the experience of being the one or the other gender to what kind of brain you have?

Well, some folks are arguing that we should ignore the brain and just look at genitalia, which is absurd.

 

[buka001]

But exactly. You don't get to buy into all thise trangender malarkey about pronouns being exclusionary and all that crud without dipping your toes into the muck that is queer studies, but you want to at the same time speak as if your opinions are supposed to be backed by science?


The claim is as valid as an autoethnographic study, and would be perfectly acceptable within the strictures applied by such studies.


Where's your evidence that they are lying? You don't have any, you're just choosing to disbelieve sources you find inconvenient, the thing you were accusing me of earlier. Saying that the source is a liar is not the same thing as saying the claims have no source.


But that's exactly what all this trans nonsense boils down to.

Well you have no evidence that I am lying so ipso facto you are mentally ill.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

Well you have no evidence that I am lying so ipso facto you are mentally ill.

The story clearly indicates that this person went public with their story and got feedback from hundreds of individuals as a result. The fact that this individual indeed went public isn't being disputed, now is it?

News reporters don't generally subject their reporting to scientific standards before reporting them, but we still consider the information source reliable enough to use in our daily lives. Your skepticism regarding this source is irrational.

On the other hand, while I have no evidence to suggest that you are lying when you say that you think I'm mentally ill, I also have no reason to conclude that you have any sort of idea to be in a position to judge the claim you're making, and so I respond with "BS" to expose this fact through your inability to actually present a cogent argument for why the judgement is sound. But as per above, you are clearly not in a position to be a credible witness like Charlie Evans.

 

[buka001]

The story clearly indicates that this person went public with their story and got feedback from hundreds of individuals as a result. The fact that this individual indeed went public isn't being disputed, now is it?

News reporters don't generally subject their reporting to scientific standards before reporting them, but we still consider the information source reliable enough to use in our daily lives. Your skepticism regarding this source is irrational.

On the other hand, while I have no evidence to suggest that you are lying when you say that you think I'm mentally ill, I also have no reason to conclude that you have any sort of idea to be in a position to judge the claim you're making, and so I respond with "BS" to expose this fact through your inability to actually present a cogent argument for why the judgement is sound. But as per above, you are clearly not in a position to be a credible witness like Charlie Evans.

Sure.

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[rietrot]

um... it's not hard to validate these claims. You collect the data and put that data through statistical analysis. You investigate how many people have approached doctors, you send out questionnaires. That way you validate whether the claims made are accurate or not. It has nothing to do with autoethnography

Lol. Ridiculous. You are now arguing that an random anecdotal claim is somehow not scientific? Wtf does it need to be scientific?
People make claims like this all the time. "Hundred" is probably exaggerated, it means a lot. And you can either accept it is true that a lot of people want to transition back. I don't doubt it seeing as they are confused and mentally ill to start off with, they thought transitioning would solve their problems and obviously it won't because they aren't really trap in the wrong body and even if they were modern medicine can never turn a penis into a real vagina or visa versa. And there is more to being male of female than just that.

Or you can pretty much claim BS because you feel all trans people post opp are happy, because why wouldn't they be? They have been perfectly reunited with their correct body.

Or perhaps they are just non-binary. Then it would make sense if they wish to switch back and forth.

 

[Emjay]

Throwing this here for the laughs. I would love Orbital Dawn to reconcile how each sex has certain brain patterns to this.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1185062885887762432