Hyundai i20 versus VW Polo Vivo

[HapticSimian]

Lol, the 1.6 i20 is that price WITH service plan included.

Yeah, and...? You get what you pay for - the Polo is a better car; the i20 might have more buttons, but that is not a hallmark of quality. This is not a subjective judgment from a VW employee, it's a statement supported by every single road-test, review and impression published in any motoring publication since the Polo's launch.

 

[boramk]

Yeah, and...? You get what you pay for - the Polo is a better car; the i20 might have more buttons, but that is not a hallmark of quality. This is not a subjective judgment from a VW employee, it's a statement supported by every single road-test, review and impression published in any motoring publication since the Polo's launch.

Polo? That's debatable ... A Vivo? No way in hell

 

[the_don46]

Yeah, and...? You get what you pay for - the Polo is a better car; the i20 might have more buttons, but that is not a hallmark of quality. This is not a subjective judgment from a VW employee, it's a statement supported by every single road-test, review and impression published in any motoring publication since the Polo's launch.

Oh please, VW Polo is continuously slated for being overpriced with shocking service.

They are lovely cars, and are well made but if the price is too high compared to the competition and the dealerships can't give the service the product requires it's in no way on par with the likes of Hyuandai and their continuous steps forward in terms of service and service offerings, not to mention extra goodies like remote fold-up mirrors.

 

[HapticSimian]

Polo? That's debatable ... A Vivo? No way in hell

Yes, Polo... New Polo. Didn't mention Vivo anywhere in that post. That aside, I don't view it as debatable at all. Well, not any more debatable than whether a Ferrari or a Land Rover would fare better off-road, anyway.

 

[boramk]

No, it is debatable, and I'm inclined to the Hyundai, I'll take your views with a pinch of salt, seeing as you said a Vivo is better (earlier in the thread), simply because its European, as well as rating Chinese cars above Indian ones

 

[HapticSimian]

Oh please, VW Polo is continuously slated for being overpriced with shocking service.

No...? The Polo 1.4 C/Line is in the same ±R160-170k bracket as the Fiesta Trend, Citroen C3, FIAT Grande Punto, Honda Jazz, Suzuki Swift, Peugeot 207, Mazda 2, and 95% of other comparable vehicles. 'Being overpriced' is a statement on the general state of the SA new car market - it is not unique to the Polo.

As for shocking service - you're bound to have the biggest brand among passenger cars (by 1000s per month, on average) catch the most flack. There are issues, but they are amplified beyond proportion. A Citroen dealership that sees 10 cars a week for service will invariable be able to create a better impression more easily than a VW dealer that services 60 to 80 cars per day. The logistics make it unavoidable.

 

[HapticSimian]

No, it is debatable, and I'm inclined to the Hyundai, I'll take your views with a pinch of salt... rating Chinese cars above Indian ones

heh... I thought about changing the '>' to a '≥' for the Chinese and Indian skedonks, but I never got 'round to it... Debate away...

PS

...seeing as you said a Vivo is better (earlier in the thread), simply because its European...

Calling me a racist?

 

[the_don46]

No...? The Polo 1.4 C/Line is in the same ±R160-170k bracket as the Fiesta Trend, Citroen C3, FIAT Grande Punto, Honda Jazz, Suzuki Swift, Peugeot 207, Mazda 2, and 95% of other comparable vehicles. 'Being overpriced' is a statement on the general state of the SA new car market - it is not unique to the Polo.

As for shocking service - you're bound to have the biggest brand among passenger cars (by 1000s per month, on average) catch the most flack. There are issues, but they are amplified beyond proportion. A Citroen dealership that sees 10 cars a week for service will invariable be able to create a better impression more easily than a VW dealer that services 60 to 80 cars per day. The logistics make it unavoidable.

Changing your stance doesn't bode well for your agrument. We talking Polo VIVO (or normal new Polo) vs Hyuadai i20!!!!

Why would you bring Citroen and other models into this debate??

Anyway, you can keep to your VW Polo.. The sales are only "badge" based as with other more premium brands than yours. I will call you though when I'm ready to order my G6 GTI

 

[HapticSimian]

Changing your stance doesn't bode well for your agrument. We talking Polo VIVO (or normal new Polo) vs Hyuadai i20!!!!

Why would you bring Citroen and other models into this debate??

Anyway, you can keep to your VW Polo.. The sales are only "badge" based as with other more premium brands than yours.

I didn't change my stance. You made the statement that the new Polo is overpriced, or that's how I understood it in any event. I brought in competitors to elucidate the fact that it isn't; not when viewed within the market as a whole. Car prices in SA seem inflated overall...

In addition, we're dealing with the endless spiral mentioned last night. If you start with a Vivo & spec it up a bit, you get to a decent little car. But then, for a little more, you can have the i20 that adds so many niceties, so now you're looking at an arguably better, but definitely more comprehensively equipped car. But now you glance at the pricelist and see you could have a new Polo for just a bit more... and it's won every COTY it was featured in. Where does it end...?

I will call you though when I'm ready to order my G6 GTI

... never mind, question answered... I'll await your PM

 

[Fudzy]

So you are saying that the volume of cars is the reason why VW did so poorly in the JD Powers quality survey?

 

[HapticSimian]

So you are saying that the volume of cars is the reason why VW did so poorly in the JD Powers quality survey?

I'm saying it's a big contributing factor, yes, but there's a whole gamut of issues that make quality surveys less than scientific. Some brands attract more nit-picky people than others, which would influence the answers they're likely to supply in a survey. People are swayed by their preconceptions, by patriotic notions and by who-knows-what else. Case in point: in the US JD Powers survey 3rd place overall went to... *drumroll*... Cadillac Now, I don't know about yours, but in my world there is no way that a Cadillac is a higher quality product than an Audi, a VW, a Beemer or dare I say it, a Hyundai. But it is true-blue US of A material, though...

In a local context the CITI Golf was a major contributor to poor CSI results for VW. No matter how highly it's regarded as an iconic, cultural element of SA motoring, as a car it sucks ass, and it has done so for at least 2 decades. Yet 1000s of them sold, and those people's complaints about their leaky, squeaky, rattly POS Citis carry as much weight as the odd complaint over a missed stitch on a Touareg's leather steering wheel.

 

[Fudzy]

Case in point: in the US JD Powers survey 3rd place overall went to... *drumroll*... Cadillac Now, I don't know about yours, but in my world there is no way that a Cadillac is a higher quality product than an Audi, a VW, a Beemer or dare I say it, a Hyundai. But it is true-blue US of A material, though...

Do you have any proof to disprove Cadillac's quality? I've always seen them as GM's equivalent of Lexus to Toyota.

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

Not a Corsa lite! sis!

New Corsa is fantastic, much better than i20, Polo etc.

I believe they're talking about the Vivo, not the Polo

The Corsa does not compete in the same segment, it would compete with the new Polos. Price-wise, I guess one could compare an entry-level Corsa with the top of the range Vivo, and even then it's more expensive.

 

[the graduate]

In a local context the CITI Golf was a major contributor to poor CSI results for VW. No matter how highly it's regarded as an iconic, cultural element of SA motoring, as a car it sucks ass, and it has done so for at least 2 decades. Yet 1000s of them sold, and those people's complaints about their leaky, squeaky, rattly POS Citis carry as much weight as the odd complaint over a missed stitch on a Touareg's leather steering wheel.

I'm sorry, but this is a dumbass argument...

If you rant on about superior quality build and finish and you have a rotten egg in that stable, the 'idiot' public that buy that rotten egg will come down on you with fire and brimstone.....right? I mean you sold them some trash and used your name to nail the deal....don't you think that you deserve to fall in the ratings?

 

[HapticSimian]

Do you have any proof to disprove Cadillac's quality? I've always seen them as GM's equivalent of Lexus to Toyota.

Cadillac SRX
Quality
Feels cheap and badly designed (the rear wiper button is on the ceiling). No one in Europe is taking any notice of it as a threat to European small SUVs/Crossovers.

Cadillac CTS
Quality
Mechanically spot-on, the CTS suffers inside. The Yanks don't mind so much about quality of plastics, but we Europeans do, and no A4 or 3-Series owner is going to be worried by this display of tackiness.

This one's semi-decent...

Cadillac BLS
Quality
Hmmm, Cadillac is not a byword for top class in the European market, but the BLS is built by Saab to European levels of quality, so it's actually pretty good. You'll recognise most of it from the 9-3, so it should be reliable

...but only because it's actually a (European) SAAB...

I'm sorry, but this is a dumbass argument...

If you rant on about superior quality build and finish and you have a rotten egg in that stable, the 'idiot' public that buy that rotten egg will come down on you with fire and brimstone.....right? I mean you sold them some trash and used your name to nail the deal....don't you think that you deserve to fall in the ratings?

Who you calling a dumbass, dumbass? Not once have I said it's undeserved - actually, if you bother to do a search on this here BB you'll find several instances of me berating VW for continuing to sell a relic of a bygone era to gullible, street-cred seeking Joe Public. However, now with the CITI's demise, I'd expect to see quite a change in VW's ratings as the volume sellers are now actually decently put-together vehicles. It was never intended as an argument, but as an explanation.

 

[HapticSimian]

I believe they're talking about the Vivo, not the Polo

The Corsa does not compete in the same segment, it would compete with the new Polos. Price-wise, I guess one could compare an entry-level Corsa with the top of the range Vivo, and even then it's more expensive.

Even the people taking part in the thread don't know what we're discussing any more. It's a mishmash of Polos old and new, Corsas Lite and heavy, Hyundais of various flavours & seemingly anything else remotely related to objects with steering wheels...

 

[Fudzy]

This one's semi-decent...

...but only because it's actually a (European) SAAB...

Eish, for someone in the motoring industry I would've expected you to know that the JD Power survey is based on number of faults per 100 cars (or something to that affect) what you've highlighted there are preliminary reviews. If quality was just measured on materials used I'd agree with you but it isn't.

 

[the graduate]

The only reason why VW and Toyota are doing so well in South Africa is because of the parts distibution network. They have a dealer in almost every town in the country. Other than that its only the Toyotas that have a never-say-die motor....but, hell, its a boring brand....

 

[Fudzy]

The only reason why VW and Toyota are doing so well in South Africa is because of the parts distibution network. They have a dealer in almost every town in the country. Other than that its only the Toyotas that have a never-say-die motor....but, hell, its a boring brand....

Amen, why cars like the Supras and Celicas were never properly marketed here I'll never know.

 

[Mike Hoxbig]

Other than that its only the Toyotas that have a never-say-die motor

Well, Japanese cars in general. You'd be amazed at how reliable a WRX Scooby is, considering it's blown.