I am going to be dismissed, advice please.

Pho3nix

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+1 - I don't understand how some adults in the work environment lack any sense of responsibility, ethics and boundaries. Some times I wonder if this is a new-generation issue (i.e. you are born after 1990) - an explanation truly fails me when reading threads like that (and even more so, some advice and endorsements given to promote that type of behaviour). I think that gambling on CCMA will result in tears, but some people just want to learn life's lesson the really hard way.

Funny you should mention this. I'm the youngest in our team and most the old timers are the one's that have issues with responsibility and boundaries. Us young'ins do suffer from entitlement but most of the ones I know are hard working. Straight cut individuals.
 
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Mike Hoxbig

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Funny you should mention this. I'm the youngest in our team and most the old timers are the one's that have issues with responsibility and boundaries. Us young'ins do suffer from entitlement but most of the ones I know are hard working. Straight cut individuals.
So hard working that they're on MyBB playing Mafia... :p
 

SauRoNZA

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For the record, I too agree that it is immoral to log into someone's email without their permission, it is not a done thing at all. It is however mentioned in my Job Description that I can log into the Administrators email and anyone elses email if need be to either send an email on behalf of them or to assist with mail configuration. Work email is work email and just that, we have been warned about sending personal material through the work email address. If it is a personal issue, personal email accounts should be used, it is our company policy. There was no mention of me logging into email. Case closed.

But you didn't log into their emails for any of those reasons.

Also needing to do such things in at the first place screams for an evaluation of mail services configuration in your company because none of that should ever be necessary.

I manage all the email in our company and neither can I, nor have I ever been able to log into another person's mailbox. People should have their own passwords and the only way to get into that account from an administrator level would be to reset that password and that should raise many questions as to why it was reset in the first place and by who.
 

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But you didn't log into their emails for any of those reasons.

Also needing to do such things in at the first place screams for an evaluation of mail services configuration in your company because none of that should ever be necessary.

I manage all the email in our company and neither can I, nor have I ever been able to log into another person's mailbox. People should have their own passwords and the only way to get into that account from an administrator level would be to reset that password and that should raise many questions as to why it was reset in the first place and by who.

Yep.
Mail tracking is about as far as I go without explicit permissions (and then only when asked to).
 

newklear

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Yea, waiting to hear the 2n'd part now...

Will update with the outcome, whether I receive a warning for excessive time off, renewed contract or end of service. Doing a bit of nail biting now too be honest but must say the 'Pax" medication I took last night before bedtime has helped me feel quite calm.


Thanks for coming back with an update. Whatever the feedback in this thread, people have raised valid concerns and I hope that you've at least learned something out of all this...

This has been a big learning experience, also my first disciplinary hearing. My first reason for initially posting here was looking for much needed advise, although the thread did seem to pick up criticism mostly. Although I hope now for someone else in a similiar situation, it will be a learning curve for them too.

But you didn't log into their emails for any of those reasons.

Also needing to do such things in at the first place screams for an evaluation of mail services configuration in your company because none of that should ever be necessary.

I manage all the email in our company and neither can I, nor have I ever been able to log into another person's mailbox. People should have their own passwords and the only way to get into that account from an administrator level would be to reset that password and that should raise many questions as to why it was reset in the first place and by who.

Correct, I completely agree with you. I do still hang my head in shame for what I did. We do have access to reset user password's and that is usually the preset default with a force change upon logon. Unfortunately alot of users do tend use the other company default, anyway that is not my baby when it comes to managing user passwords.

Thought I'd mention, I am thirty six years old, so don't feel as if I am suffering with entitlement. I am generally very responsible and a well rounded individual. Amazing at how all that falls away when the body is battling to cope. As I understand it, the work load with various triggers had caused stress on my body and was unable to produce endorphin's which assists with the natural coping mechanism. I still have to understand this whole depression debacle to give any more feedback.
 

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It is good that things turned out okay, but I think you should learn from this.

NEVER snoop on anyone's emails for any reason. It may not have bit you this time, but if they found out, they would have fired you and things might have even got more serious than that.

It would not have mattered even if the HR director was caught lying with his pants down - if you snoop through a directors emails, you will be gone.
 

Garson007

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I worked for a company for 3 years and fell ill, ended up in hospital.
When I got back after 2 weeks I was called in and asked if my bosses had made the right decision hiring me to which I responded by saying I was legitimately sick and they could check my absenteeism to date to see that I was not the type of person that just took leave for no reason.
I'd send out my CV the same day if that happened to me.
 

Garson007

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Why the **** not? They've not shown you any loyalty so you don't have to show any either. I never said I'd quit on the spot
 

Electric

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Why the **** not? They've not shown you any loyalty so you don't have to show any either. I never said I'd quit on the spot

Oh yeh, I left there a month later.
It's not like I just bent and said thank you.
But the actual situation didn't bother me as much as their entire business model and focus or lack there of.
 

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I'd send out my CV the same day if that happened to me.

Similar thing happened to me when i had a kidney infection, Boss refused to take the note. I returned to work after a week (Dr. had booked me off for two). Boss called me into the office and said that it was not acceptable, I handed him another note, he proceeded to tell me he doesn't want another Dr's note. I said with a smirk, No... this is not a Dr's note. He looked up at me with a anger on his face. I laughed and walked out. Left two weeks later :) it felt good.
 

Jet-Fighter7700

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It is good that things turned out okay, but I think you should learn from this.

NEVER snoop on anyone's emails for any reason. It may not have bit you this time, but if they found out, they would have fired you and things might have even got more serious than that.

It would not have mattered even if the HR director was caught lying with his pants down - if you snoop through a directors emails, you will be gone.

agree with this, its pure chance that you got away relatively "clean" from this, are they yet to come back to you with a verdict?
did they give you a timeframe? also agree with toxicbunny, good chance they will drop you on your head after this, but thats my 2c worth.
 

Electric

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Similar thing happened to me when i had a kidney infection, Boss refused to take the note. I returned to work after a week (Dr. had booked me off for two). Boss called me into the office and said that it was not acceptable, I handed him another note, he proceeded to tell me he doesn't want another Dr's note. I said with a smirk, No... this is not a Dr's note. He looked up at me with a anger on his face. I laughed and walked out. Left two weeks later :) it felt good.

It does feel good hey :D
I held my bosses to ransom as well lol.
I resigned and told them I was only going to work another day, in exchange I would complete their contract with a big customer.
If they didn't pay my leave and a full month's salary, I'd walk.

They were in so much *** that they had no choice but to pay my demands.
They did however send a contract for me to sign so that I didn't jump them.
Typical boss fashion though, they worded the contract so that I would actually not get anything I asked for.
I stomped into their office and demanded they change it which they begrudgingly did.
 

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With the IT industry being so small, I am puzzled how some people behave in the work environment (even if you have a sh*t boss, chances are that he/she is well connected and just sticking to him/her is only a temporary feel-good-moment). I tend to think along the "burn-no-bridges" sentiment. Being unethical in the workplace will eventually come back at that person in any case, so no point to dish out.

I find it fascinating that some people stick it out in a horrible work-environment without career progression, crap work, but somewhat okayish salary. Surely there is more to life (considering that you spend almost 10 hours a day with work) than just drawing a nice paycheck?
 
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