I can prove WBS are cutting people off on purpose

slimothy

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UH OH, it seems that WBS is back to their old tricks again, actually I'm not sure they ever stopped. See the reason WBS can get away with doing this month after month is because they just plead ignorance, they pretend its a network problem, something wrong with the throttle system that they just can't put thier fingers on and therefor can't fix... but now I have proof that they are cutting people off on purpose.

Now before I get to the good stuff I need to say that I don't know the criteria for getting cut off, I don't know if they count previous months usage and have a list of abusers or if it is accross the board but if you are cut off you'll know about it.

The way they cut people off is to activly block ALL priority ports, this means pop3, smtp, http, https, vpn ports, you name it... they cut it off. There seems to be 2 flavours of cut off action from WBS, the first is noticable when you've gone over your 3GB or 9GB, lots of document contains no data messages in firefox etc, this lets us know that the server got our request but no data was sent back. The second flavour is a bit more hectic it happens when you hit 20.00GB usage EXACTLY, I mean right on the dot, once that happens you don't get document contains no data messages, instead you get nothing, firefox pretends to load for a bit and stops.

I examined the headers and saw that the server closed the connection everytime I made a request, this means the server didn't get the request like before and a server in between the client (you) and the server (the site you're visiting) closes the connection.

Here's the thing, it happens once you hit 20.00GB exactly, now call me strange but I don't ussually find errors happening on such nice round numbers.. but wait I have more proof. You see if this was all some big bug in the throttle system then presumably all internal IPs would still be accessible, that is to say, all IPs on the iburst network, BUT it isn't like that at all, the allowed list of servers includes secure.wbs.co.za, helpdesk.wbs.co.za and www.iburst.co.za. However there are internal IPs you cannot access when cut off either, www.wbs.co.za, smtp.wbs.co.za (and of course all external IPs)

That clearly shows there are rules being made for IPs/hostnames to be excempt from the cut off on certain occasions. If it were the throttle system on the frits then only everything outside of the gateway would be blocked... but it clearly isn't.

I setup a proxy on port 80 (HTTP) on one of my servers wbs doesnt know about, i then attempted to use it, I couldnt reach it at all, when I checked the logs on the server NO connection attempts were logged, that means the server never got the request, it was lost somewhere between my iburst connection and the server, when I put SSH up on port 80 very much the same thing happened except it allowed be to request a key... and then froze. So its pretty obvious they just block port 80 once you're cut off no matter what traffic you use.

Other non priority protocols work, you can irc, instant message etc but you cannot surf/check mail/ftp AT ALL... even in certain cases when say ftp is on another port or http is on another port you cannot use it, this leads me to believe they block priority ports and then have packet inspection rules to block certain protocols no matter what port they are on.

Here's my problem, I have 9GB to start every month, then I buy another 9GB of extra bvandwidth (thats the limit you cant buy more than that) then I expect the rest of the month at 64kbit, but instead i got 2Gb at 64kbit and cut off, now I have no choice but to use labourious workarounds because I have no option to buy more bandwidth which I honestly would if I had the chance.

So the warning is out there.. don't hit 20.00GB or else WBS will break the contractual agreement you have with them and cut you off from all priority protocols.
 

Bjorn

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I have noticed similar things Slim...
This is going to be very interesting, i wonder what they will say about this, if anything at all...
 

fishfly

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hmmm that sounds interesting... but I've never reached those levels as yet, so sorry I Can't help check it
 

nocilah

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ic said:
If you have proof, then it should find its way into a formal organised complaint that gets lodged with ICASA against WBS and their pathetic iBurst "service".

and asasa
 

rebel

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WBS could make things easier for themselves by just stating that there's a 20GB hard cap for all users except for I-Go customers.
 

hentie

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This makes sense, however. I had the same problem from about the 1st of Sept until a few days ago. I could access only I-Burst websites. All other i could ping, tracert but nothing would download via explorer. I thought it might be a setup problem from my side, but gave up eventually. Phoned I-burst and initially they said nothing was wrong and gave me the run around. after a day everything suddenly came right.

I did not reach BW limit, but downgraded from one package. Think they must have had some settings wrong.
 

slimothy

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hentie, thats amazing you said that because after amking this post and emailing shaun green and telling him it was me from the forum... a few hours later magically everything opened up
 

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hentie said:
This makes sense, however. I had the same problem from about the 1st of Sept until a few days ago. I could access only I-Burst websites. All other i could ping, tracert but nothing would download via explorer. I thought it might be a setup problem from my side, but gave up eventually. Phoned I-burst and initially they said nothing was wrong and gave me the run around. after a day everything suddenly came right.

I did not reach BW limit, but downgraded from one package. Think they must have had some settings wrong.

Yo there,

Had the same think on a new install... I tracked it down to the DNS servers being assigned during PPP were being non-responsive. I fixed the DNS IP address to the ADSL ones at telkom... problem solved for me

Richard
 

slimothy

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JasonH said:
I hit 20 Gigs last month and wasnt cut off
really? so did i, because i was talking about this month, i also said its not gonna be everyone, probably just abusers.. btw you owe me money
 

Simple Twist Of Fate

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OH its true alright, thats why i have a signature that i do
I was once a proud supporter of Iburst, -----back in the day
the day before the throttling machine, the death by cap and the "3,6,9, and 16 no access lynching mobs", the "no-read receipt" the nonresponsivness "helplessdesk" and the "buy another gig and we wont charge you" lark.
But i am over it now, it was a "pre-launch wet dream" and a "post launch nightmare"
:)
 

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I still have to see the "proof" ? Something more than just a post is required ol Slim. Aside from that, I fully believe you, and I believe that WBS could be up to crap like this.

But if you're claiming "proof" you'd better be coming here with more than conjecture.

As they always say on Tribalwar.com: "Pic's or it didn't happen!"
 

RVFmal

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More importantly, how do any of you actually reach 20Gig of usage? I battle to reach my 3 gig cap let alone 20!
 
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P0tenc

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RVFmal said:
More importantly, how do any of you actually reach 20Gig of usage? I battle to reach my 3 gig cap let alone 20!

Easy...we use it the way it was meant to be used. U should be asking yourself why your not hitting 10gb at least :p

The internet is a vast resource, learn how to use it fully. Some ppl will never grasp this but the internet......is more than email/websites :D

I also understand that many ppl are only light internet users and that is fine, so if your happy with doing what you do online then don't worry. ;)
 

RVFmal

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P0tenc said:
Easy...we use it the way it was meant to be used. U should be asking yourself why your not hitting 10gb at least :p

The internet is a vast resource, learn how to use it fully. Some ppl will never grasp this but the internet......is more than email/websites :D

I also understand that many ppl are only light internet users and that is fine, so if your happy with doing what you do online then don't worry. ;)

I am asking myself that question, hence my post. I also want to download 10 Gigs!!! :D

I take it that most of the bandwidth used by most of you is through sharing of files, programs, gaming etc. Or am I wrong.

Still being a fair newbie to utilising the net to it's full potential, I have much to learn.
 

slimothy

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dude 20GB isnt even alot if you're on iburst, you can go way over 20 if you wanted to
 

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RVFmal said:
I take it that most of the bandwidth used by most of you is through sharing of files, programs, gaming etc. Or am I wrong.
I don't even touch P2P as it's heavily shaped. 98% of my usage is from http and the other is IRC. So yeah, we use our bandwidth for what it was meant for.
 

slimothy

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ok well im cut off again i can only access this page because im using tunnels, and the worst bit is i cant send email because if i use a tunnel to send to smtp.wbs.co.za it says relaying not permitted and if i dont use a tunnel the connection just dies and i get soem error message saying the server closed the connection....

THANKS WBS YOU RETARDS
 
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